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Morning everybody.
 

 After having met with success with my last query, I thought I would turn to you all to solve my latest problem.
 After having lifted the tank (to replace the centre plug that had come loose!!!), I found that the tick over was way too high, at 3000 rpm, once the engine was warm.
 It starts fine and only has a problem when warm.
 Have looked for leaks in the inlet rubbers.   No sign of any.
 Using a remote tank, I found that the revs would reduce to normal, once the petrol started to run out...were the floats sticking?
 Off with the carbs,  found some small amounts of muck in some of them.  Checked the diaphragms..all look ok.
 Cleaned everything and finally thought I would check the air screw positions.  Two moved easily and were set at one and a half turns out...however, the third one is solid!  neither in nor out will it go!
 I have tried heat, cold, impact driver, praying but it still won't move!
 And now, of course, the screw is not in a good condition.
 

 I need some new ideas please.  As the bike is a cheapy, I'm reluctant to buy a set of carbs of ebay that might be as bad but can't think how to get this screw out.  It is soaking in vinegar at the moment!
 

 Here's hoping...
 

 

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Is there a small amount of free play in the throttle cable (2 - 3mm)? Has the idle adjuster screw been wound in to increase the tick over? is the enricher closing fully?
Good luck with getting the mixture screw out. I had to buy a replacement carb set a few years back because of seized screws. It can be a gamble...

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      Morning everybody.
After having met with success with my last query, I thought I would turn to you all to solve my latest problem.After having lifted the tank (to replace the centre plug that had come loose!!!), I found that the tick over was way too high, at 3000 rpm, once the engine was warm.It starts fine and only has a problem when warm.Have looked for leaks in the inlet rubbers.   No sign of any.Using a remote tank, I found that the revs would reduce to normal, once the petrol started to run out...were the floats sticking?Off with the carbs,  found some small amounts of muck in some of them.  Checked the diaphragms..all look ok.Cleaned everything and finally thought I would check the air screw positions.  Two moved easily and were set at one and a half turns out...however, the third one is solid!  neither in nor out will it go!I have tried heat, cold, impact driver, praying but it still won't move!And now, of course, the screw is not in a good condition.
I need some new ideas please.  As the bike is a cheapy, I'm reluctant to buy a set of carbs of ebay that might be as bad but can't think how to get this screw out.  It is soaking in vinegar at the moment!
Here's hoping...



   
     

   
   


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Hi Mahlzettime,  You didn't mention anything about using the choke lever to start it up. I use the choke to start my bikes. The rpm's increase as it warms up, so I have to do some adjusting of the choke as the engine warms up. If I didn't close down the choke it would be idling at 3 grand.
 That stuck air screw doesn't sound good. Impart driver, oh oh. I've never heard of using vinegar to loosen threads. I've been using a formula given to me by Ed Johnson and it works great. Half Acetone and half automatic transmission fluid. I had an almost used up can of PVC pipe cleaner to store the solution. The PVC pipe cleaner can has a dauber attached to the underside of the lid.
 Do you live in the USA? Send me the carb, I have a vertical mill and I can get the screw out.
 I also have some extra carbs if necessary. Don't drill on the screw like the last guy I helped out. He did some drilling, and got the hole drilled off center and what a mess.
 Greg Andrews
 Apple Valley, California
 96 900 BRG
 98 Sprint Sport
 and the new one a 1200 Trophy turned into a Trident.
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Thanks for the input and very kind offer.  Unfortunately I live in Liverpool, UK.
 

 The vinegar idea was my friends suggestion...let us see if it works.
 

 The choke is working fine and, if anything, there was too much slack in throttle and choke cables.
 

 Very frustrating as I bought the bike as it had the bolt on panniers for touring.   I have to use soft bags on my other, older Trophy.
 

 Thanks again for the offer.
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Hi Mahlzeit,
I learned the hard way that these are JIS screws and not Phillips.  I also learned the hard way that you need to impact them out, not try to get them out any other way.
When this happened to me, I had to slot the screw with a Dremel and then impact it out as a flathead.  Worst-case, it would have broken the head off and then I'd have needed to drill it out.  It didn't, so I got lucky.
When you put it back together, use allen-head bolts instead of the JIS screws.
Best of luck and take photos.
- Dave      From: "[hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
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    Morning everybody.
After having met with success with my last query, I thought I would turn to you all to solve my latest problem.After having lifted the tank (to replace the centre plug that had come loose!!!), I found that the tick over was way too high, at 3000 rpm, once the engine was warm.It starts fine and only has a problem when warm.Have looked for leaks in the inlet rubbers.   No sign of any.Using a remote tank, I found that the revs would reduce to normal, once the petrol started to run out...were the floats sticking?Off with the carbs,  found some small amounts of muck in some of them.  Checked the diaphragms..all look ok.Cleaned everything and finally thought I would check the air screw positions.  Two moved easily and were set at one and a half turns out...however, the third one is solid!  neither in nor out will it go!I have tried heat, cold, impact driver, praying but it still won't move!And now, of course, the screw is not in a good condition.
I need some new ideas please.  As the bike is a cheapy, I'm reluctant to buy a set of carbs of ebay that might be as bad but can't think how to get this screw out.  It is soaking in vinegar at the moment!
Here's hoping...

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Thanks David...never heard of JIS screws!!  Only had bikes for46 year!!
 Just shows that we never stop learning.  Another set of screwdrivers to buy now.
 

 Anyway, it's too late to save this screw.
 Think I'm going to have to drill it out and then use an ease-out!  Not a lot to lose.
 

 If it doesn't rain, I'll hopefully start it Sunday.
 

 I'll keep you all informed.
 

 

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Hi Mahlzeit,
JIS is Japanese Industrial Screw.
Phillips screwdrivers were originally designed for machine-assemblyand have tapered blades on the driver and tapered insides in the screws. The purposed for the taper is to cause the driver to hop when the screw is tight.
JIS drivers and screws have flat edges on the blades and in the screws.  They are designed to be torqued and impacted.
I'm not very fond of JIS screws, because they have a tendency to hog-out if they need to be impact-removed and you try to remove them without impact.  As written-up in my recent posts, I replaced all of the JIS screws on my carburetors with stainless allen bolts.
Once you have the head off, and the float bowl out of the way, you might be able to use a punch and hammer to tap on either end of the screw and loosen any galvanic bonding on the threads, then possibly grab the shaft with a pair of pliers and just twist it out.
- Dave
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    Thanks David...never heard of JIS screws!!  Only had bikes for46 year!!Just shows that we never stop learning.  Another set of screwdrivers to buy now.
Anyway, it's too late to save this screw.Think I'm going to have to drill it out and then use an ease-out!  Not a lot to lose.
If it doesn't rain, I'll hopefully start it Sunday.
I'll keep you all informed.

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A few notes that I took:
1. JIS is Japanese Industry Standard.  I had a different name in my head.2. The chamfer angle of the Phillips screwdriver's point is steeper than the JIS  This means that a Phillips screwdriver will have far less purchase on a JIS screw because it will bottom out.3. The cuts on a Phillips driver aren't as deep as those on the JIS driver.
- Dave

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Re: high tickover on 1996 trophy 900

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If you file/grind down the tip of a #2 Phillips screwdriver it will work MUCH better in JIS screws.

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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