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After over a years ownership of my second Trophy, (additional one, not second owned, I have had a Trophy of one sort or another since 1998).
  I finally got around to moving all the good bits over (tokico 6 pots, scott oiler, heated grips, gel seat, Clearview etc) only to find the Datatool S3 was now inoperable, so it has sat in my garage until I got around to removing it (the alarm system). I have my other Trophy and a Rocket anyway, and its been pretty busy in the Military over the last year, so not had time to sort it.
  Until this week end.
  Friday night I removed the alarm system, which despite having a cert for professional fitting looks like was fitted by a first year apprentice, with wires cut and spliced all over the place. It's not a genuine Triumph datatool so the Triumph plug was not used, hence the splicing. After doing that, and new fuel lines, and the air box mod, ( I know Trophies!), I was all set for a ride, so started the bike while I got dressed.
 

  When I tried to put it in gear it jumped forward, although the clutch was in. No problem, I thought, sticking clutch plates, its sat for months, right? So I tried again, it started ok and idles nicely, but as soon as its put in gear it cuts out. Clutch lever switch and side stand switch seem ok, it appears to be linked to the gear box somehow. Any clues anyone?  I have stripped it down 3 times this week end and am on the verge of burning it!      
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Hi Russ, I'm thinking the Datatool S3 is not the problem. I think the problem is the side stand switch. When the side stand is down it pushes in a little plunger into the switch. Then when the side stand is kicked up the little spring inside the switch pushes the plunger back out. All that time sitting with the side stand switch not being activated, it is now stuck. Pull the plunger out.  I have an extra switch I could sell.
 Greg Andrews
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Hi guys,

 Could be Greg. But, then again, Russ said it jumped a bit when he put it in gear. It is not clear if it is still doing that and stalling or shutting off electrically. Russ, put it on the centre stand, put it in 6th gear, hold the clutch in and see if the wheel will turn. If not, try some brute force and ignorance to break the clutch plates free.
 

 I just got back from a 5800 km ride in 8 days (7 days riding), so my brain is not that sharp this morning, but this is what I would try.
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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 it was definitely NOT the stand switch, as I had already checked it. The clutch plates broke free easily, which I had already done. Was certainly something to do with the alarm. So I took the alarm box apart, cleaned and dried it, put it back together and re-installed it. All fine now! But I wont trust that alarm for a while, I can see me getting stuck on the side of the road at some stage. O well, at least its working now. Thanks for your input guys.  I promise to come back more often!!!!
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Why keep the alarm?
Bob Clark


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it was definitely NOT the stand switch, as I had already checked it. The clutch plates broke free easily, which I had already done. Was certainly something to do with the alarm. So I took the alarm box apart, cleaned and dried it, put it back together and re-installed it. All fine now! But I wont trust that alarm for a while, I can see me getting stuck on the side of the road at some stage. O well, at least its working now. Thanks for your input guys.  I promise to come back more often!!!!

   
     

   
   


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Hi Russ,
Is the jump forward severe or just a slight jump?  If severe, can you push the bike while it's in gear and with the clutch lever pulled?
Otherwise, I'd guess that the alarm wired itself through the kickstand switch wiring or the clutch switch wiring, and I'm betting on the kickstand switch.
- Dave W.

 
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    After over a years ownership of my second Trophy, (additional one, not second owned, I have had a Trophy of one sort or another since 1998). I finally got around to moving all the good bits over (tokico 6 pots, scott oiler, heated grips, gel seat, Clearview etc) only to find the Datatool S3 was now inoperable, so it has sat in my garage until I got around to removing it (the alarm system). I have my other Trophy and a Rocket anyway, and its been pretty busy in the Military over the last year, so not had time to sort it. Until this week end.  Friday night I removed the alarm system, which despite having a cert for professional fitting looks like was fitted by a first year apprentice, with wires cut and spliced all over the place. It's not a genuine Triumph datatool so the Triumph plug was not used, hence the splicing. After doing that, and new fuel lines, and the air box mod, ( I know Trophies!), I was all set for a ride, so started the bike while I got dressed.
 When I tried to put it in gear it jumped forward, although the clutch was in. No problem, I thought, sticking clutch plates, its sat for months, right? So I tried again, it started ok and idles nicely, but as soon as its put in gear it cuts out. Clutch lever switch and side stand switch seem ok, it appears to be linked to the gear box somehow. 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"Brute force and ignorance to break the clutch plates free" Glenn? You
were half way to breaking the clutch free with putting it on the center
stand, 6th gear and the rear wheel turning. If the rear wheel turns in
6th gear while on the center stand simply step on the rear brake. Being
a "Week End Warrior" I do this every time I take my bike out of the
garage to avoid a heavy "CLUNK!" going into first gear. Works every time!
--
Ed J. Indian Harbour Beach, FL 2001 Triumph Trophy 1200 321-795-4387


On 3/27/2016 3:20 PM, [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] wrote:

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>
> Hi guys,
>
> Could be Greg. But, then again, Russ said it jumped a bit when he put
> it in gear. It is not clear if it is still doing that and stalling or
> shutting off electrically. Russ, put it on the centre stand, put it in
> 6th gear, hold the clutch in and see if the wheel will turn. If not,
> try some brute force and ignorance to break the clutch plates free.
>
> I just got back from a 5800 km ride in 8 days (7 days riding), so my
> brain is not that sharp this morning, but this is what I would try.
>
> Cheers,
> Glenn
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Hi Russ,

Its been a few years but I think only 2 of the wires in the alarm header
connect together. At least without an alarm installed. Which complete the
ground connection to the igniter brain box. The rest you would just cap off.

Samuel
New Orleans
On Mar 28, 2016 1:09 PM, "Ed Johnson [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]"
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>
> "Brute force and ignorance to break the clutch plates free" Glenn? You
> were half way to breaking the clutch free with putting it on the center
> stand, 6th gear and the rear wheel turning. If the rear wheel turns in 6th
> gear while on the center stand simply step on the rear brake. Being a "Week
> End Warrior" I do this every time I take my bike out of the garage to avoid
> a heavy "CLUNK!" going into first gear. Works every time!
>
> --
> Ed J. Indian Harbour Beach, FL 2001 Triumph Trophy 1200 321-795-4387
>
>
> On 3/27/2016 3:20 PM, [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Could be Greg. But, then again, Russ said it jumped a bit when he put it
> in gear. It is not clear if it is still doing that and stalling or shutting
> off electrically. Russ, put it on the centre stand, put it in 6th gear,
> hold the clutch in and see if the wheel will turn. If not, try some brute
> force and ignorance to break the clutch plates free.
>
> I just got back from a 5800 km ride in 8 days (7 days riding), so my brain
> is not that sharp this morning, but this is what I would try.
>
> Cheers,
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
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after stripping the bike down 3 times last week, and believing I had cured the problem, the alarm failed to  disarm again this week, leaving me unable to move it again.   I am still unclear why it cuts out when put into gear with the alarm removed, and a local dealer would not tell me without buying a new alarm!
  I eventually found a guy in London who sold me a META 357 replacement for the datatool, lets see how that goes, once its fitted!!!
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Remove the Alarm,  it's not needed.
Bob Clark


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      after stripping the bike down 3 times last week, and believing I had cured the problem, the alarm failed to  disarm again this week, leaving me unable to move it again.  I am still unclear why it cuts out when put into gear with the alarm removed, and a local dealer would not tell me without buying a new alarm! I eventually found a guy in London who sold me a META 357 replacement for the datatool, lets see how that goes, once its fitted!!!

   
     

   
   


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True Bob but it completes a circuit that has been modified on his bike
and unless someone can come up with the two wires that need to be
connected the only way his bike will run is with an alarm installed. Our
bikes have a jumper in place that does that. His bike has had that
removed and rewired.
--
Ed J. Indian Harbour Beach, FL 2001 Triumph Trophy 1200 321-795-4387


On 4/3/2016 9:29 AM, APSLLP [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] wrote:

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> Remove the Alarm,  it's not needed.
>
> Bob Clark
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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> <[hidden email]>
> Date: 04/03/2016 5:38 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Re: cuts out when put into gear, after
> removal of datatool alarm!
>
> after stripping the bike down 3 times last week, and believing I had
> cured the problem, the alarm failed to  disarm again this week,
> leaving me unable to move it again.
>
>  I am still unclear why it cuts out when put into gear with the alarm
> removed, and a local dealer would not tell me without buying a new alarm!
>  I eventually found a guy in London who sold me a META 357 replacement
> for the datatool, lets see how that goes, once its fitted!!!
>
>
>

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Bob, depends where you leave it ;)

Nigel

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> On 3 Apr 2016, at 14:29, APSLLP [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Remove the Alarm,  it's not needed.
>
> Bob Clark
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> To: [hidden email]
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>  
> after stripping the bike down 3 times last week, and believing I had cured the problem, the alarm failed to  disarm again this week, leaving me unable to move it again.
>
>  I am still unclear why it cuts out when put into gear with the alarm removed, and a local dealer would not tell me without buying a new alarm!
>  I eventually found a guy in London who sold me a META 357 replacement for the datatool, lets see how that goes, once its fitted!!!
>
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For diagnosis and testing, it needs to be removed.  It only complicates things.  If you must hav an alarm, re-fit it AFTER solving the running issues.
Bob


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      Bob, depends where you leave it ;)
Nigel

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Remove the Alarm,  it's not needed.
Bob Clark


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      after stripping the bike down 3 times last week, and believing I had cured the problem, the alarm failed to  disarm again this week, leaving me unable to move it again.  I am still unclear why it cuts out when put into gear with the alarm removed, and a local dealer would not tell me without buying a new alarm! I eventually found a guy in London who sold me a META 357 replacement for the datatool, lets see how that goes, once its fitted!!!

   
     

   



   
     

   









   
     

   
   


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Russ,

In bikes without an alarm, in the connector down in the frame in front
of the battery, there is a white jumper wire between two terminals - I
can't remember their numbers, but they show up on the wiring diagram.  
This jumper has caused loads of problems with many users over the years
as they corrode.  If you haven't already, it seems logical to focus on
those connections, making sure the jumper wire is clean and secure.  As
far as I know, the alarm works only by breaking that connection.  So if
you are having trouble with the alarm removed, it seems likely either to
be in that connector, or if not, then one of the other micro switched
not related to the alarm.
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Hi Russ,
There is one other bit that came to mind.
For bikes without alarms, there is a jumper that goes between two of the terminals on the alarm connector under the seat.  If that wire is missing, you might have issues.  If that wire is present, it should bypass the alarm.  I don't have a picture at the moment.
- Dave

 
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 Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Re: cuts out when put into gear, after removal of datatool alarm!
   
    after stripping the bike down 3 times last week, and believing I had cured the problem, the alarm failed to  disarm again this week, leaving me unable to move it again.  I am still unclear why it cuts out when put into gear with the alarm removed, and a local dealer would not tell me without buying a new alarm! I eventually found a guy in London who sold me a META 357 replacement for the datatool, lets see how that goes, once its fitted!!!  #yiv2851427609 #yiv2851427609 -- #yiv2851427609ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv2851427609 #yiv2851427609ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv2851427609 #yiv2851427609ygrp-mkp #yiv2851427609hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv2851427609 #yiv2851427609ygrp-mkp #yiv2851427609ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv2851427609 #yiv2851427609ygrp-mkp .yiv2851427609ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv2851427609 #yiv2851427609ygrp-mkp .yiv2851427609ad p 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