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The last time I rode the Trophy (a 1994, single headlight) at night I could see so little that I thought I had put the crash helmet on backwards!  Since then I have avoided riding at night but can see there are not only HID but also LED H4 bulbs combining both main and dip beam now available.
 They both seem to produce up to 6000 lumens and are as cheap as chips but does anyone know the pros and cons of the 2 choices and can advise me the best way to go or any advice on what/what not to buy
 

 Many thanks
 Ivor
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Hi Ivor,
That's a tempting thought, particularly LED headlights, if there are any that are a direct swap.
Has anyone done this?
- Dave

 
      From: "[hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
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 Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Headlamp
   
    The last time I rode the Trophy (a 1994, single headlight) at night I could see so little that I thought I had put the crash helmet on backwards! Since then I have avoided riding at night but can see there are not only HID but also LED H4 bulbs combining both main and dip beam now available. They both seem to produce up to 6000 lumens and are as cheap as chips but does anyone know the pros and cons of the 2 choices and can advise me the best way to go or any advice on what/what not to buy
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My shop says that my HID's are a thing of the past and LED's a the
future. I do have an 01 with the larger alternator. I'm not sure your
alternator could handle the HID's extra drain. I'd go with the LED's.
They take less power.


On 8/28/2016 1:10 PM, [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] wrote:

>
>
> The last time I rode the Trophy (a 1994, single headlight) at night I
> could see so little that I thought I had put the crash helmet on
> backwards!
> Since then I have avoided riding at night but can see there are not
> only HID but also LED H4 bulbs combining both main and dip beam now
> available.
> They both seem to produce up to 6000 lumens and are as cheap as chips
> but does anyone know the pros and cons of the 2 choices and can advise
> me the best way to go or any advice on what/what not to buy
>
> Many thanks
> Ivor
>
>
>

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Hi Ed and thanks for your reply

All of the HIDs I have looked at do have a high initial current demand but it appears their running current is lower than halogen and about the same as LED at 35w so the demands on the alternator and battery should be lower whichever system I choose,  always an important consideration on a trophy, have already had to do the sprag clutch without a cover plate access!

The HID seems to have only one light source and an electro-magnetic diffuser moves into place to facilatete the dip beam whereas the LED has a separate light source for each which would be less likely to leave you with no headlight at all I guess. Some of the reviews suggest that the LED is a less focuses beam with more scatter than HID and the HID may be a more effective driving light.

 All of this seems quite new to me, I'm sure that the last time I looked at this upgrade my only choice was these "super" halogens, giving considerably more light for the same wattage! They must think we are stupid! At that time I didn't find an alternate bulb capable of doing both beams, making it a bit difficult on a single headlamp machine and so I gave up. I started this search expecting to have to mount 2 headlamps each 4 inch diameter in the existing fairing aperture. Technology moves on for us!

Would be good to hear some direct experience, surely someone has been through this already?

Regards
Ivor






On Sun, 28/8/16, Ed Johnson [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Headlamp
 To: [hidden email]
 Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2016, 22:52
 
 My shop says that my
 HID's are a thing of the past and LED's a the
 future. I do have an 01 with the larger
 alternator. I'm not sure your
 alternator could handle the HID's extra
 drain. I'd go with the LED's.
 They
 take less power.
 
 
 On 8/28/2016 1:10 PM, [hidden email]
 [TriumphTrophy] wrote:
 >
 >
 > The last time I rode
 the Trophy (a 1994, single headlight) at night I
 > could see so little that I thought I had
 put the crash helmet on
 > backwards!
 > Since then I have avoided riding at night
 but can see there are not
 > only HID but
 also LED H4 bulbs combining both main and dip beam now
 > available.
 > They both
 seem to produce up to 6000 lumens and are as cheap as chips
 
 > but does anyone know the pros and cons
 of the 2 choices and can advise
 > me the
 best way to go or any advice on what/what not to buy
 >
 > Many thanks
 > Ivor
 >
 >
 >
 
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 Ed J. Indian Harbour Beach,
 FL 2001 Triumph Trophy 1200 321-795-4387
 
 
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Hi Ivor;

     I failed to say that I have the HID's on my bike and the difference
was like "Night and Day" [No pun intended] when I installed them. When I
installed them I was riding a stretch of country road on my way to work
in the dark at 5:30 in morning. That seemed to be the time when the
resident Raccoons seemed to want to cross the road and I hit several of
them with my car so didn't want to befall the same fate on the Trophy
based on the damage it did to my car. It would have been a handful at 50
mph as these animals are not small.The HID's light up the road immensely
and I can even see the eyeballs of roadside animals that MIGHT cross in
front of me before I get to them. I've not hit one yet on the bike and
that is a major accomplishment to say the least.

     Having said all of that I have heard the same comments that you
related regarding the shortcomings of LED's but I honestly have NO
experience with them at all! I think if I only had one headlight [ as a
matter of fact the first morning I used them only one was working and
alone it outshone the so called high powered bulbs it replaced.] I would
definitely go with the HID's. I'm not sure where you are located but I
am Stateside and installed an on and off switch to the headlights during
start up as that's when they drain the battery the most. Turning them on
after the bike is started saves the battery and avoids the dreaded sprag
clutch problem at least a little! ;-)

Regards

Ed J.


On 8/29/2016 5:09 AM, IVOR COLLINS [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]
wrote:

> Hi Ed and thanks for your reply
>
> All of the HIDs I have looked at do have a high initial current demand but it appears their running current is lower than halogen and about the same as LED at 35w so the demands on the alternator and battery should be lower whichever system I choose,  always an important consideration on a trophy, have already had to do the sprag clutch without a cover plate access!
>
> The HID seems to have only one light source and an electro-magnetic diffuser moves into place to facilatete the dip beam whereas the LED has a separate light source for each which would be less likely to leave you with no headlight at all I guess. Some of the reviews suggest that the LED is a less focuses beam with more scatter than HID and the HID may be a more effective driving light.
>
>   All of this seems quite new to me, I'm sure that the last time I looked at this upgrade my only choice was these "super" halogens, giving considerably more light for the same wattage! They must think we are stupid! At that time I didn't find an alternate bulb capable of doing both beams, making it a bit difficult on a single headlamp machine and so I gave up. I started this search expecting to have to mount 2 headlamps each 4 inch diameter in the existing fairing aperture. Technology moves on for us!
>
> Would be good to hear some direct experience, surely someone has been through this already?
>
> Regards
> Ivor
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 28/8/16, Ed Johnson [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>   Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Headlamp
>   To: [hidden email]
>   Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2016, 22:52
>  
>   My shop says that my
>   HID's are a thing of the past and LED's a the
>   future. I do have an 01 with the larger
>   alternator. I'm not sure your
>   alternator could handle the HID's extra
>   drain. I'd go with the LED's.
>   They
>   take less power.
>  
>  
>   On 8/28/2016 1:10 PM, [hidden email]
>   [TriumphTrophy] wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   > The last time I rode
>   the Trophy (a 1994, single headlight) at night I
>   > could see so little that I thought I had
>   put the crash helmet on
>   > backwards!
>   > Since then I have avoided riding at night
>   but can see there are not
>   > only HID but
>   also LED H4 bulbs combining both main and dip beam now
>   > available.
>   > They both
>   seem to produce up to 6000 lumens and are as cheap as chips
>  
>   > but does anyone know the pros and cons
>   of the 2 choices and can advise
>   > me the
>   best way to go or any advice on what/what not to buy
>   >
>   > Many thanks
>   > Ivor
>   >
>   >
>   >
>  
>   --
>   Ed J. Indian Harbour Beach,
>   FL 2001 Triumph Trophy 1200 321-795-4387
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I never understood the LOGIC behind the term "DIP" or lower beam.
Standard legal operating mode in most states is:"Low Beam"  and in rural areas sans traffic "High Beam".
Must be one of those "Queens English" quirks.
Bob Clark


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      Hi Ed and thanks for your reply



All of the HIDs I have looked at do have a high initial current demand but it appears their running current is lower than halogen and about the same as LED at 35w so the demands on the alternator and battery should be lower whichever system I choose,  always an important consideration on a trophy, have already had to do the sprag clutch without a cover plate access!



The HID seems to have only one light source and an electro-magnetic diffuser moves into place to facilatete the dip beam whereas the LED has a separate light source for each which would be less likely to leave you with no headlight at all I guess. Some of the reviews suggest that the LED is a less focuses beam with more scatter than HID and the HID may be a more effective driving light.



All of this seems quite new to me, I'm sure that the last time I looked at this upgrade my only choice was these "super" halogens, giving considerably more light for the same wattage! They must think we are stupid! At that time I didn't find an alternate bulb capable of doing both beams, making it a bit difficult on a single headlamp machine and so I gave up. I started this search expecting to have to mount 2 headlamps each 4 inch diameter in the existing fairing aperture. Technology moves on for us!



Would be good to hear some direct experience, surely someone has been through this already?



Regards

Ivor



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Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Headlamp

 To: [hidden email]

 Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2016, 22:52

 

 My shop says that my

 HID's are a thing of the past and LED's a the

 future. I do have an 01 with the larger

 alternator. I'm not sure your

 alternator could handle the HID's extra

 drain. I'd go with the LED's.

 They

 take less power.

 

 

 On 8/28/2016 1:10 PM, [hidden email]

 [TriumphTrophy] wrote:

 >

 >

 > The last time I rode

 the Trophy (a 1994, single headlight) at night I

 > could see so little that I thought I had

 put the crash helmet on

 > backwards!

 > Since then I have avoided riding at night

 but can see there are not

 > only HID but

 also LED H4 bulbs combining both main and dip beam now

 > available.

 > They both

 seem to produce up to 6000 lumens and are as cheap as chips

 

 > but does anyone know the pros and cons

 of the 2 choices and can advise

 > me the

 best way to go or any advice on what/what not to buy

 >

 > Many thanks

 > Ivor

 >

 >

 >

 

 --

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 FL 2001 Triumph Trophy 1200 321-795-4387

 

 

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Howdy "Fellers!",
  I was underwhelmed by that stock bulb myself, so I pulled it out, and began to look for bulb that was just a little better. I looked thru five or six shops, and found them at just one shop in the area, but it was a National chain, that has since gone belly up, but I found a 60/80 watt H4 Halogen lamp, that has given me years of service, and made a huge difference at night. I’ve always loved long desert "Nite-rides", here in the Great Southwest. Summer nites are short down here, but evenings are cool, and beautiful. There is nothing like a nite-ride in our local SoCal Mountains to find a great spot to build a small fire, and watch the sunrise. Then off to Breakfast and bed to sleep thru the 95-100 degree F day, back in Orange County, CA. I have pretty good nite vision, always have. We are a family of subsistence hunters, and have good genes. I putt-putt slowly, as it can be a bit like riding thru a tunnel with the stock bulb. The small step up made a great difference to an old Nite-Rider like me, as it really lit up the world on bright, and is apparently tolerable, as I flip it down as soon as I see traffic. I never need to use High-beam in traffic, and is nice in the twisties. I also have the European right side switchgear, which allows me to turn off lights, for start-ups, and run the "Parking Light" here, which makes a very good, low draw daytime headlight. This gets my battery a good charge during certain conditions. I may run on the "Parking-Light" (not a lot of LEOS). I have been thru security checks and sobriety checks, by the local chaps, and may headlite was never once mentioned, or even glanced at twice. My "Headlites" don’t produce any noticeable heat. If you have to remove the headlite glass, replace the plastic "mollies" (I got some very nice ones at Home Depot, came a dozen to a pack for under $3.
 Kindest regards, Have a great Labor Day weekend ! End your Summer in one piece Friends!"
     Poppa Jack




> On Aug 29, 2016, at 2:09 AM, IVOR COLLINS [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hi Ed and thanks for your reply
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I hear ya poppa! I have decided to lay low for the time being. As I forsee
led technology really becoming well rounded soon. I'm also running halogen
bulbs which barely cut it. Hopefully soon a improved focused beam led will
burst forth. Bound to happen..

Until then enjoy the ride!

Samuel
NOLA

On Monday, August 29, 2016, Jack Byers [hidden email]
[TriumphTrophy] <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Howdy "Fellers!",
>   I was underwhelmed by that stock bulb myself, so I pulled it out, and
> began to look for bulb that was just a little better. I looked thru five or
> six shops, and found them at just one shop in the area, but it was a
> National chain, that has since gone belly up, but I found a 60/80 watt H4
> Halogen lamp, that has given me years of service, and made a huge
> difference at night. I’ve always loved long desert "Nite-rides", here in
> the Great Southwest. Summer nites are short down here, but evenings are
> cool, and beautiful. There is nothing like a nite-ride in our local SoCal
> Mountains to find a great spot to build a small fire, and watch the
> sunrise. Then off to Breakfast and bed to sleep thru the 95-100 degree F
> day, back in Orange County, CA. I have pretty good nite vision, always
> have. We are a family of subsistence hunters, and have good genes. I
> putt-putt slowly, as it can be a bit like riding thru a tunnel with the
> stock bulb. The small step up made a great difference to an old Nite-Rider
> like me, as it really lit up the world on bright, and is apparently
> tolerable, as I flip it down as soon as I see traffic. I never need to use
> High-beam in traffic, and is nice in the twisties. I also have the European
> right side switchgear, which allows me to turn off lights, for start-ups,
> and run the "Parking Light" here, which makes a very good, low draw daytime
> headlight. This gets my battery a good charge during certain conditions. I
> may run on the "Parking-Light" (not a lot of LEOS). I have been thru
> security checks and sobriety checks, by the local chaps, and may headlite
> was never once mentioned, or even glanced at twice. My "Headlites" don’t
> produce any noticeable heat. If you have to remove the headlite glass,
> replace the plastic "mollies" (I got some very nice ones at Home Depot,
> came a dozen to a pack for under $3.
>  Kindest regards, Have a great Labor Day weekend ! End your Summer in one
> piece Friends!"
>      Poppa Jack
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2016, at 2:09 AM, IVOR COLLINS [hidden email]
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> [hidden email]
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>
>
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I skipped halogens on the airplane and went LED's. Went from (2) 250W incandecants to (2) 14 W LED's. Lots more light and barely moves the Ammeter needle.  Thats important when the alternator output is  50W Maximum.  Now I can turn landing lights on, use radios, navigation lights and cycle the electric powered landing gear retraction system.
Now I need to find some of those bulbs to fit in the Trophy !
For those following my project, I bought new jets for the 900.  Going to try 125's on the outboard Cylinders and a 12 in the middle will set screws at 2 turns out.  Right now it has 95's in all 3 carbs.  Running too lean in my opinion.
Bob Clark01 Sunset Red Trophy 120096 BRG Thunderbird 900


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      I hear ya poppa! I have decided to lay low for the time being. As I forsee led technology really becoming well rounded soon. I'm also running halogen bulbs which barely cut it. Hopefully soon a improved focused beam led will burst forth. Bound to happen..
Until then enjoy the ride!

SamuelNOLA

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Howdy "Fellers!",  I was underwhelmed by that stock bulb myself, so I pulled it out, and began to look for bulb that was just a little better. I looked thru five or six shops, and found them at just one shop in the area, but it was a National chain, that has since gone belly up, but I found a 60/80 watt H4 Halogen lamp, that has given me years of service, and made a huge difference at night. I’ve always loved long desert "Nite-rides", here in the Great Southwest. Summer nites are short down here, but evenings are cool, and beautiful. There is nothing like a nite-ride in our local SoCal Mountains to find a great spot to build a small fire, and watch the sunrise. Then off to Breakfast and bed to sleep thru the 95-100 degree F day, back in Orange County, CA. I have pretty good nite vision, always have. We are a family of subsistence hunters, and have good genes. I putt-putt slowly, as it can be a bit like riding thru a tunnel with the stock bulb. The small step up made a great difference to an old Nite-Rider like me, as it really lit up the world on bright, and is apparently tolerable, as I flip it down as soon as I see traffic. I never need to use High-beam in traffic, and is nice in the twisties. I also have the European right side switchgear, which allows me to turn off lights, for start-ups, and run the "Parking Light" here, which makes a very good, low draw daytime headlight. This gets my battery a good charge during certain conditions. I may run on the "Parking-Light" (not a lot of LEOS). I have been thru security checks and sobriety checks, by the local chaps, and may headlite was never once mentioned, or even glanced at twice. My "Headlites" don’t produce any noticeable heat. If you have to remove the headlite glass, replace the plastic "mollies" (I got some very nice ones at Home Depot, came a dozen to a pack for under $3. Kindest regards, Have a great Labor Day weekend ! End your Summer in one piece Friends!"     Poppa Jack



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Hi Bob, Are you putting the T-Bird back on the road or are you going for more performance? My Trophy and Sprint had 125 in all three carbs before I went to Dynojet kits. Hauled ass then and a little more now. That's a big jump going from 95 mains to 125, 2 turns out is a good starting point. I would also consider putting the needles on the middle notches. FactoryPro gives an excellent way to tune the carbs. Maybe your airport will let you use the runway to test out the mainjets. You'll need to have WOT above 7 K rpm's for the test. The police frown on that type of speed even if it is only for 20 seconds. Greg Andrews
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Someone had put aftermarket exhaust on it and didn't re-jet.  They left it with the California CARB jetting per the chart.  It's just too lean for me. Too much popping, farting and hard to start.  By not setting it up right after switching the exhaust, they tried to compensate by raising needles and opening up the mixture screws. All to save a few $$ by not removing the carbs and changing $15 worth of jets.
I consulted the set up chart and am going to the stock settings for Europe and the rest of the USA as a starting point.
I just need to get an afternoon without other chores to tackle it.
Bob Clark


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      Hi Bob, Are you putting the T-Bird back on the road or are you going for more performance? My Trophy and Sprint had 125 in all three carbs before I went to Dynojet kits. Hauled ass then and a little more now. That's a big jump going from 95 mains to 125, 2 turns out is a good starting point. I would also consider putting the needles on the middle notches. FactoryPro gives an excellent way to tune the carbs. Maybe your airport will let you use the runway to test out the mainjets. You'll need to have WOT above 7 K rpm's for the test. The police frown on that type of speed even if it is only for 20 seconds.Greg Andrews

   
     

   
   


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I have a "Cali Spec" Trophy here in NZ which now runs great.
If you have not added the 2nd air intake you will need to as the Cali model has only one with the other blanked off.
It has Tiger cams as STD so it has more low down & mid-range grunt than your std Trophy but loses out a little on top.
I love it as it's great 2 up with gear and still has plenty for overtaking.
Back to jetting - I run 125,120,125 main jets & 40 pilots 2.5 turns out. I also have a .20 shim under all the needles. The Cali needles are non-adjustable. I also have a K&N air filter

Jim
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