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Hi,

Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even
turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama
free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender.
Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it
finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been
joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping
myself.

Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a
lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages
higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success
using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be
nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

Samuel
96 BBBB PB
NOLA
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Big question is why change to something new with the successes you've had.  If you had tires which performed as well, you'd stick with them again.  I would not mess with success.
Bob Clark


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Date: 05/31/2016  11:48 AM  (GMT-05:00)
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      Hi,
Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender. Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping myself.
Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance!
Samuel

96 BBBB PB

NOLA


   
     

   
   


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Bob basically said what I was thinking.  You got 5 years out of it, I'd do that again and not even think about it.

 The various lithium batteries are too fragile for me still.  My brother runs them in is R/C Cars and there are too many rules.  Don't charge them like this, don't run them down like that, don't get them hot, watch if they bloat.

Fine and good for a hobby - not something I want to worry about on the freeway when I'm trying to get somewhere / get home.

Scott


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 Big question is why change to something new with the successes you've had.  If you had tires which performed as well, you'd stick with them again.  I would not mess with success.
 

 Bob Clark
 




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Most of the warnings regarding handling/storing/charging etc. refer to the earlier lithium ion and lithium polymer technology batteries.
The newer lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries are considered more stable, but even they should not be subjected to high charging voltages.
Personally, I'd go with another AGM battery, and look at lithium (or whatever the technology will be) in another 4 or 5 years.
David

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016, 17:47, "[hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
 

     Bob basically said what I was thinking.  You got 5 years out of it, I'd do that again and not even think about it.

The various lithium batteries are too fragile for me still.  My brother runs them in is R/C Cars and there are too many rules.  Don't charge them like this, don't run them down like that, don't get them hot, watch if they bloat.

Fine and good for a hobby - not something I want to worry about on the freeway when I'm trying to get somewhere / get home.

Scott


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Big question is why change to something new with the successes you've had.  If you had tires which performed as well, you'd stick with them again.  I would not mess with success.
Bob Clark

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Don't waste your money ..AGM is good enough ....... and if you wanna save  
weight ,,,,well,,, you know
 
your wallet will be a lot lighter with a lithium
 
 
Tim
 
 
In a message dated 5/31/2016 10:48:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Hi,
Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to  even
turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a  drama
free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery  tender.
Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems  it
finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been  
joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping  
myself.  
Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step  up to a
lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages  
higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success using  
these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be nice to  
shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance!
Samuel
96 BBBB PB
NOLA



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Hey Bob,

I completely agree with you. I will say this. For future reference if your
going for an agm type. If possible purchase a non activated model. I really
believe that combined with riding almost every day is the reason it has
lasted so long. After digging around on the net. I also notice that the
warranty periods pretty much double for the non activated models.

I'm suffering a case of bike withdrawal already.  So I'm off to the battery
warehouse across town.

Fingers crossed that the battery is the only issue. As it sure throws up
some scary symptoms. My first thought was the headlight modulator was
melting down again. After which I suspected a short in the wiring around
the headset. And then perhaps the ignition switch. Still not sure these
don't exist.

If any of you guys get a chance. Remove the bottom 30a fuse and take a ohm
reading. From the outside leg to ground. Should read open circuited with
the key off. And I'm not sure if my reading is correct. But it reads
2.5ohms with the key turned on. Respectively to the battery ground.
Hopefully that is correct. Either way it looks like later on today I will
find out.

Enjoy the ride!
Samuel
On May 31, 2016 11:00 AM, "APSLLP [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Big question is why change to something new with the successes you've
> had.  If you had tires which performed as well, you'd stick with them
> again.  I would not mess with success.
>
> Bob Clark
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <
> [hidden email]>
> Date: 05/31/2016 11:48 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even
> turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama
> free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender.
> Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it
> finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been
> joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping
> myself.
>
> Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a
> lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages
> higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success
> using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be
> nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Samuel
> 96 BBBB PB
> NOLA
>
>
>
>
>
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     I agree with Bob! although they are being used successfully in
motorcycles for several years now I still have a problem with the fact
that they CAN cause a problem if they fail from overcharging which can
happen quite easily with our no so new machines! The problem they create
and the location they create it I also find problematic. Let's see now;
My chosen means of transportation, addiction, sport, or whatever is a
machine that places a tank of an explosive chemical between my legs on
top of a very hot engine that relies on the explosive power of this
explosive chemical to propel the machine. Now in addition to that I'm
going to add another item whose only failure is an explosive fire and
I'm going to place that directly under the area my wife calls my
"BRAINS"! [She claims that God didn't give us a big enough blood supply
to use both our brains and our penis at the same time! I vaguely
remember those days but I digress! :-[] While I do agree that a higher
voltage supply to the coils makes for an easier starting and better
running Trophy at lower speeds which the Lithium Iron battery provides I
find the Johnson Jolt just as effective and much cheaper. I recently
discovered that a new starter solenoid also improved the ability of my
100,000+ mile Trophy to start off of my 4 year old battery and I hardly
ride the bike lately due to some health problems.

     Final answer is that i think I will stick with old tried and true
batteries for a while yet until I'm sure that there isn't a Lithium Ion
battery out there disguised as a Lithium Iron battery [Yes, There IS a
difference!] that some unscrupulous marketer might pawn off on me due to
my ignorance. Just MHO! Yours may vary! 8-)

Ed J.

On 5/31/2016 11:55 AM, APSLLP [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] wrote:

>
>
> Big question is why change to something new with the successes you've
> had.  If you had tires which performed as well, you'd stick with them
> again.  I would not mess with success.
>
> Bob Clark
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]"
> <[hidden email]>
> Date: 05/31/2016 11:48 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
>
> Hi,
>
> Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to
> even turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So
> after a drama free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by
> my battery tender. Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such
> before. So it seems it finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this
> day was over due. I've been joyfully procrastinating along. And now
> I'm having to reframe from slapping myself.
>
> Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up
> to a lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to
> voltages higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys
> had success using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to
> 11lbs. It would be nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Samuel
> 96 BBBB PB
> NOLA
>
>
>
>



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On 5/31/2016 1:07 PM, Ed Johnson wrote: I actually DID purchase a
Lithium Iron battery from Germany back when I was having a starting
problem on my bike and no one would ship it to the States! That should
tell you something as well. [They had to refund my money!]

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Good point Ed! With the amount of heat involved. There is no need to
install a potential bomb. I'm beginning to appreciate that 9lbs after all.

Samuel
On May 31, 2016 12:07 PM, "Ed Johnson [hidden email]
[TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>     I agree with Bob! although they are being used successfully in
> motorcycles for several years now I still have a problem with the fact that
> they CAN cause a problem if they fail from overcharging which can happen
> quite easily with our no so new machines! The problem they create and the
> location they create it I also find problematic. Let's see now; My chosen
> means of transportation, addiction, sport, or whatever is a machine that
> places a tank of an explosive chemical between my legs on top of a very hot
> engine that relies on the explosive power of this explosive chemical to
> propel the machine. Now in addition to that I'm going to add another item
> whose only failure is an explosive fire and I'm going to place that
> directly under the area my wife calls my "BRAINS"! [She claims that God
> didn't give us a big enough blood supply to use both our brains and our
> penis at the same time! I vaguely remember those days but I digress! :-[]
> While I do agree that a higher voltage supply to the coils makes for an
> easier starting and better running Trophy at lower speeds which the Lithium
> Iron battery provides I find the Johnson Jolt just as effective and much
> cheaper. I recently discovered that a new starter solenoid also improved
> the ability of my 100,000+ mile Trophy to start off of my 4 year old
> battery and I hardly ride the bike lately due to some health problems.
>
>     Final answer is that i think I will stick with old tried and true
> batteries for a while yet until I'm sure that there isn't a Lithium Ion
> battery out there disguised as a Lithium Iron battery [Yes, There IS a
> difference!] that some unscrupulous marketer might pawn off on me due to my
> ignorance. Just MHO! Yours may vary! 8-)
>
> Ed J.
> On 5/31/2016 11:55 AM, APSLLP [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] wrote:
>
> Big question is why change to something new with the successes you've
> had.  If you had tires which performed as well, you'd stick with them
> again.  I would not mess with success.
>
> Bob Clark
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]"
> <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]>
> Date: 05/31/2016 11:48 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even
> turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama
> free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender.
> Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it
> finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been
> joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping
> myself.
>
> Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a
> lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages
> higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success
> using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be
> nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Samuel
> 96 BBBB PB
> NOLA
>
>
>
>
>
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The weight is only really an issue if you have to keep removing/refitting the battery on a regular and frequent basis.
I doubt that a few pounds would be noticed by the bike.
David

    On Tuesday, 31 May 2016, 18:19, "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
 

     Good point Ed! With the amount of heat involved. There is no need to install a potential bomb. I'm beginning to appreciate that 9lbs after all.SamuelOn May 31, 2016 12:07 PM, "Ed Johnson [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

     I agree with Bob! although they are being used successfully in motorcycles for several years now I still have a problem with the fact that they CAN cause a problem if they fail from overcharging which can happen quite easily with our no so new machines! The problem they create and the location they create it I also find problematic. Let's see now; My chosen means of transportation, addiction, sport, or whatever is a machine that places a tank of an explosive chemical between my legs on top of a very hot engine that relies on the explosive power of this explosive chemical to propel the machine. Now in addition to that I'm going to add another item whose only failure is an explosive fire and I'm going to place that directly under the area my wife calls my "BRAINS"! [She claims that God didn't give us a big enough blood supply to use both our brains and our penis at the same time! I vaguely remember those days but I digress! :-[] While I do agree that a higher voltage supply to the coils makes for an easier starting and better running Trophy at lower speeds which the Lithium Iron battery provides I find the Johnson Jolt just as effective and much cheaper. I recently discovered that a new starter solenoid also improved the ability of my 100,000+ mile Trophy to start off of my 4 year old battery and I hardly ride the bike lately due to some health problems.     Final answer is that i think I will stick with old tried and true batteries for a while yet until I'm sure that there isn't a Lithium Ion battery out there disguised as a Lithium Iron battery [Yes, There IS a difference!] that some unscrupulous marketer might pawn off on me due to my ignorance. Just MHO! Yours may vary! 8-)
  Ed J.
  On 5/31/2016 11:55 AM, APSLLP [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] wrote:
 
 Big question is why change to something new with the successes you've had.  If you had tires which performed as well, you'd stick with them again.  I would not mess with success.
  Bob Clark
 
 
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 From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" mailto:[hidden email]
 Date: 05/31/2016 11:48 AM (GMT-05:00)
 To: [hidden email]
 Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
 
    Hi, Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender. Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping myself.  Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! Samuel
 96 BBBB PB
 NOLA  
 
  

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When Lithium polymer batteries are used in model cars, boats and planes the esc stops the circuit drawing power from the battery when the voltage falls to the safe preset level per cell. Our bikes have no protection so the clock or alarm or even leaving the ignition on will damage the battery and so rendering it unstable. Lithium ion batteries used in motorcycles are only slightly better in my opinion than the LiPo cells. We need someone to come up with the circuitry described above for m/c's

Cheers, Nigel
BBBB nwuk
Yuasa lead acid and many lipos (but not for bikes!)

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> On 31 May 2016, at 17:47, [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Bob basically said what I was thinking.  You got 5 years out of it, I'd do that again and not even think about it.
>
>
> The various lithium batteries are too fragile for me still.  My brother runs them in is R/C Cars and there are too many rules.  Don't charge them like this, don't run them down like that, don't get them hot, watch if they bloat.
>
> Fine and good for a hobby - not something I want to worry about on the freeway when I'm trying to get somewhere / get home.
>
> Scott
>
>
> ---In [hidden email], <apsllp@...> wrote :
>
> Big question is why change to something new with the successes you've had.  If you had tires which performed as well, you'd stick with them again.  I would not mess with success.
>
> Bob Clark
>
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For what it's worth I'd been running my brace of Trophies for two and half years on a single Lithium Ferro Phosphate (LiFePo4) battery - it's only a 5 minute job to swap the battery in to the right bike after all - until the day came when I jumped on Sharon (the '97 BBB) to go for a ride without swapping the battery over first from Tracey (the '92 BBB).. So I bought another one LiFePo4 battery that is...
 

 I've experienced no problems or concerns whatsoever since making the swap from Lead-Acid to LiFePo4 - I do check the Alternator and Regulator outputs and function at regular intervals, as well as having a Digital Voltmeter fitted in the fairing panels.
 So far after 34 months the original one is still as good as new and never needs to be charged, (dedicated Charger purchased but only used a couple of times when I thought I'd drained the battery messing about with lights and such but after 12 minutes it was fully-charged again).
 Even after leaving the bike unused for up to 6 weeks at a time - on the MkII I have put a Switch in the Clock Supply to prevent unnecessary drainage of the battery - they Fire Up first press of the Starter Button. Fuel Tap to PRIme obviously.
 

 I even have a LiFePo4 battery fitted to my MkIII (Trophy SE) and if ever a bike needed a good battery - it is that one..
 

 Cheers
 Gordon3xBBB
 Stroud, Gloucestershire. U.K.
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Hi folks,

 I agree with Gordon. The technology is fine now (LiFePo4) with several brands having now been proven to be good. My next battery will be one of these. Buy one size bigger (stronger) than any brand's site recommends. Put in a voltmeter. Relax.
 

 Let's be clear about something, though. The weight savings is absolutely meaningless for us in the real world with our bikes - 5 or 10 pounds is nothing. Different seasonal riding gear can vary your total weight that much.
 

 The ONLY and VERY REAL benefit for us is the kick-ass, sustainable CRANKING power to spin the engine, light the coils and save the sprag clutch. That makes it worth the money for me - next time!
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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Hi guys,

Heres the latest. After an all night charge on the new battery. Shes back
in order. All I could locate was a chinese battery. So hopefully it will
last. The old one was produced in the states. And cost twice what this one
did almost six years ago. I suspect dealers cost to be about $18 on this
one. We shall see..

Enjoy the ride!

Samuel
On Jun 1, 2016 3:20 PM, "[hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <
[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I agree with Gordon. The technology is fine now (LiFePo4) with several
> brands having now been proven to be good. My next battery will be one of
> these. Buy one size bigger (stronger) than any brand's site recommends. Put
> in a voltmeter. Relax.
>
> Let's be clear about something, though. The weight savings is absolutely
> meaningless for us in the real world with our bikes - 5 or 10 pounds is
> nothing. Different seasonal riding gear can vary your total weight that
> much.
>
> The ONLY and VERY REAL benefit for us is the kick-ass, sustainable
> CRANKING power to spin the engine, light the coils and save the sprag
> clutch. That makes it worth the money for me - next time!
>
> Cheers,
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
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Gordon, I agree with everything you say and in addition I understand my comparison to lipos used in modelling may be misleading.
I compare lipos to
incendiary devices and won't have them in the house. They are seriously unstable if discharged too much and highly likely to catch fire when recharged from the low voltage particularly if they have puffed up.
Lifepo4 on the other hand is very much less likely to combust if abused due to the lower energy density. I came very close to fitting one to my Trophy but just couldn't see around the alarm issue which I really want to keep. The bike does unfortunately get left for weeks in the winter at times and it suits me to use an optimate. This isn't an option with lifepo4. There has to be solution coming along soon. Just needs a tender that when it sees the voltage drop to say 3v per cell then charge battery.

Cheers
Nigel

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> On 1 Jun 2016, at 12:23, [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> For what it's worth I'd been running my brace of Trophies for two and half years on a single Lithium Ferro Phosphate (LiFePo4) battery - it's only a 5 minute job to swap the battery in to the right bike after all - until the day came when I jumped on Sharon (the '97 BBB) to go for a ride without swapping the battery over first from Tracey (the '92 BBB)..
>
> So I bought another one LiFePo4 battery that is...
>
> I've experienced no problems or concerns whatsoever since making the swap from Lead-Acid to LiFePo4 - I do check the Alternator and Regulator outputs and function at regular intervals, as well as having a Digital Voltmeter fitted in the fairing panels.
> So far after 34 months the original one is still as good as new and never needs to be charged, (dedicated Charger purchased but only used a couple of times when I thought I'd drained the battery messing about with lights and such but after 12 minutes it was fully-charged again).
> Even after leaving the bike unused for up to 6 weeks at a time - on the MkII I have put a Switch in the Clock Supply to prevent unnecessary drainage of the battery - they Fire Up first press of the Starter Button. Fuel Tap to PRIme obviously.
>
> I even have a LiFePo4 battery fitted to my MkIII (Trophy SE) and if ever a bike needed a good battery - it is that one..
>
> Cheers
> Gordon3xBBB
> Stroud, Gloucestershire. U.K.
>
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Hi Samuel,
I got my replacement AGM at WalMart.  It came with the acid in a separate bottle so it would sit inert until filled and charged.  I priced Lithium batteries and just couldn't justify twice the price for not so much difference.
On the other hand, I've considered getting a lithium jump pack to keep on-hand.
- Dave

 
      From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
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    Hi,Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender. Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping myself. Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.Any thoughts?Thanks in advance!Samuel
96 BBBB PB
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Hey David,

In todays world. I'd be willing to bet its the exact same make/model. I
went to a local battery only warehouse. Naturally, the sales guy lied on
the phone saying he had the correct model. True to form he didn't have the
right one. And I ended up getting a reversed polarity model. No biggie as I
elongated the leads the last time around. The one I ended up with had no
data on the CCA anywhere. So I pulled up the net and 1st hit was walmart.
Which was about $5 less. Who would have ever thought..

She fires right up now! Its like getting a $1000 tune up.

Life is good again... And I'm off for a ride.

Samuel
On Jun 1, 2016 5:12 PM, "David Webb [hidden email]
[TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Samuel,
>
> I got my replacement AGM at WalMart.  It came with the acid in a separate
> bottle so it would sit inert until filled and charged.  I priced Lithium
> batteries and just couldn't justify twice the price for not so much
> difference.
>
> On the other hand, I've considered getting a lithium jump pack to keep
> on-hand.
>
> - Dave
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <
> [hidden email]>
> *To:* [hidden email]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:48 AM
> *Subject:* [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
>
>
> Hi,
> Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even
> turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama
> free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender.
> Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it
> finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been
> joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping
> myself.
> Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a
> lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages
> higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success
> using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be
> nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.
> Any thoughts?
> Thanks in advance!
> Samuel
> 96 BBBB PB
> NOLA
>
>
>
>
>
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There are two nearly-identical models that you will want to be mindful of.  The difference between the models is the position of the terminals.  If you hook up the battery backwards, you can get all kinds of issues.
When I replaced my battery, the terminals on the new one were reversed.  My first clue was that the starter spun but didn't engage.  I figured it out fairly quickly and was able to get the bike started, but I noticed quickly that the headlights seemed dim and didn't brighten when I increased the engine speed.
After searching about for a while, I found (with Bob's help) that the bottom-most 30-amp fuse had blown.  I'm glad the fuse went and not my ECU or rectifier.
My lesson-learned, check the terminal polarity before hooking up the wires.
- Dave

 
      From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 7:13 PM
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    Hey David,In todays world. I'd be willing to bet its the exact same make/model. I went to a local battery only warehouse. Naturally, the sales guy lied on the phone saying he had the correct model. True to form he didn't have the right one. And I ended up getting a reversed polarity model. No biggie as I elongated the leads the last time around. The one I ended up with had no data on the CCA anywhere. So I pulled up the net and 1st hit was walmart. Which was about $5 less. Who would have ever thought..She fires right up now! Its like getting a $1000 tune up.Life is good again... And I'm off for a ride.SamuelOn Jun 1, 2016 5:12 PM, "David Webb [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

Hi Samuel,
I got my replacement AGM at WalMart.  It came with the acid in a separate bottle so it would sit inert until filled and charged.  I priced Lithium batteries and just couldn't justify twice the price for not so much difference.
On the other hand, I've considered getting a lithium jump pack to keep on-hand.
- Dave

 
      From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:48 AM
 Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
 
    Hi,Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender. Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping myself. Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.Any thoughts?Thanks in advance!Samuel
96 BBBB PB
NOLA  

   
 


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I didn't think that AGM batteries came with acid in a container? Surely the whole idea of AGM is that the electrolyte is pre-Absorbed (hence the A in AGM) when the battery is made?
All AGM batteries I have seen are sealed, low- or zero- maintenance, so you can't add or top up...

    On Thursday, 2 June 2016, 13:11, "David Webb [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
 

     There are two nearly-identical models that you will want to be mindful of.  The difference between the models is the position of the terminals.  If you hook up the battery backwards, you can get all kinds of issues.
When I replaced my battery, the terminals on the new one were reversed.  My first clue was that the starter spun but didn't engage.  I figured it out fairly quickly and was able to get the bike started, but I noticed quickly that the headlights seemed dim and didn't brighten when I increased the engine speed.
After searching about for a while, I found (with Bob's help) that the bottom-most 30-amp fuse had blown.  I'm glad the fuse went and not my ECU or rectifier.
My lesson-learned, check the terminal polarity before hooking up the wires.
- Dave

 
      From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 7:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
 
    Hey David,In todays world. I'd be willing to bet its the exact same make/model. I went to a local battery only warehouse. Naturally, the sales guy lied on the phone saying he had the correct model. True to form he didn't have the right one. And I ended up getting a reversed polarity model. No biggie as I elongated the leads the last time around. The one I ended up with had no data on the CCA anywhere. So I pulled up the net and 1st hit was walmart. Which was about $5 less. Who would have ever thought..She fires right up now! Its like getting a $1000 tune up.Life is good again... And I'm off for a ride.SamuelOn Jun 1, 2016 5:12 PM, "David Webb [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

Hi Samuel,
I got my replacement AGM at WalMart.  It came with the acid in a separate bottle so it would sit inert until filled and charged.  I priced Lithium batteries and just couldn't justify twice the price for not so much difference.
On the other hand, I've considered getting a lithium jump pack to keep on-hand.
- Dave

 
      From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:48 AM
 Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
 
    Hi,Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender. Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping myself. Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.Any thoughts?Thanks in advance!Samuel
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The battery that I purchased came with electrolyte in a separate container.  The battery was sold dry, with what appeared to be a fiberglass mat inside each cell.  The instructions were to fill each cell slowly until completely full and the air bubbles had all escaped, then let the battery sit for a period of time to activate, then charge. I don't remember whether the instructions told me to do the initial charge with the cover on or off.  At some point, the instructions directed me to place the cover over the fill holes to seal the battery.  Once sealed, it's not maintainable.
- Dave

 
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    I didn't think that AGM batteries came with acid in a container? Surely the whole idea of AGM is that the electrolyte is pre-Absorbed (hence the A in AGM) when the battery is made?
All AGM batteries I have seen are sealed, low- or zero- maintenance, so you can't add or top up...

    On Thursday, 2 June 2016, 13:11, "David Webb [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
 

     There are two nearly-identical models that you will want to be mindful of.  The difference between the models is the position of the terminals.  If you hook up the battery backwards, you can get all kinds of issues.
When I replaced my battery, the terminals on the new one were reversed.  My first clue was that the starter spun but didn't engage.  I figured it out fairly quickly and was able to get the bike started, but I noticed quickly that the headlights seemed dim and didn't brighten when I increased the engine speed.
After searching about for a while, I found (with Bob's help) that the bottom-most 30-amp fuse had blown.  I'm glad the fuse went and not my ECU or rectifier.
My lesson-learned, check the terminal polarity before hooking up the wires.
- Dave

 
      From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 7:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Employing modern batterys.
 
    Hey David,In todays world. I'd be willing to bet its the exact same make/model. I went to a local battery only warehouse. Naturally, the sales guy lied on the phone saying he had the correct model. True to form he didn't have the right one. And I ended up getting a reversed polarity model. No biggie as I elongated the leads the last time around. The one I ended up with had no data on the CCA anywhere. So I pulled up the net and 1st hit was walmart. Which was about $5 less. Who would have ever thought..She fires right up now! Its like getting a $1000 tune up.Life is good again... And I'm off for a ride.SamuelOn Jun 1, 2016 5:12 PM, "David Webb [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

Hi Samuel,
I got my replacement AGM at WalMart.  It came with the acid in a separate bottle so it would sit inert until filled and charged.  I priced Lithium batteries and just couldn't justify twice the price for not so much difference.
On the other hand, I've considered getting a lithium jump pack to keep on-hand.
- Dave

 
      From: "Samuel Crider [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:48 AM
 Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Employing! modern batterys.
 
    Hi,Well after 5.6yrs my AGM bit the dust last Sat. And she refused to even turn over. And then wouldn't even light up the dash lamps. So after a drama free life span. It now is no longer even recognized by my battery tender. Which blinks yellow/green and has never done such before. So it seems it finally coughed up a cell. Knowing that this day was over due. I've been joyfully procrastinating along. And now I'm having to reframe from slapping myself. Nevertheless I have a question. Is it a upgradable option to step up to a lithium battery? I read that they should never be exposed to voltages higher than 14.8v. My max out is 15.2v. Have any of you guys had success using these? They sure are light. Like 2lbs compared to 11lbs. It would be nice to shed 9lbs. Thats for sure.Any thoughts?Thanks in advance!Samuel
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