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Well, I was all proud last week.  Took a picture of my odometer with 68,888 miles and was going to post up a picture at my next opportunity.  I haven't got around to it but I have an issue.
 

 I vaguely remember Papa Jack or one of the regular's posting that they put their back tire on a board prior to putting the bike on the center stand.  I have always just muscled it up with no assistance but wondered how some of the older or slighter members do this.  I am 220# and 5' 10", but was often wondering how long I would be able to manhandle this bike onto the center stand.
 

 Last night on my way home I discovered another reason to not manhandle this bike onto the center stand.  I got off the bike and placed my foot on the foot pedal of the center stand and braced for the hoist.  The tubular arm (foot pedal) peeled back (sheared about 75% of the weld) like a banana and I almost lost the bike to the right hand side.  I was able to keep her upright but just barely.  I was surprised to see that this arm is nothing more that 1/32 tubular steal.  I am surprised it lasted 20 years.
 

 Anyone have a spare center stand or are they available still through a dealer?  Has anyone broken this arm and tried to reinforce/repair it?  I seldom used the side stand because the bike leans so much, it's hard to use the left saddle bag and I often use the top of the bike to set my glasses, cell phone, lunch box, mail, etc. after I have dismounted and I am preparing to go into work or back home.  I have also heard of members building up the side stand foot so it doesn't lean as drastically.
 

 Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
 

 Rick
 NM, USA
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An automotive fab shop could probably fix that up.  Anybody who builds race cars (roll cages) or does offroad work. That would probably be how I'd go.

I doubt its available from Triumph.  I was looking for one for my (similar age) Thunderbird and was lucky enough to piece one together from eBay and some parts from Sprint in the UK (I did look and Spring doesn'tt have any stands listed for the Trophy).

You might also be able to get a used one from eBay, if you'd rather that than have it repaired.

I don't know where you are in NM, but I found two shops in Albuquerque using "NM race car fab" in Google.

http://www.racefab.com/services/ http://www.racefab.com/services/
http://www.irwinracingllc.com/ http://www.irwinracingllc.com/ 
 
 A fab shop could also lengthen your side stand.


Scott
 

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 Anyone have a spare center stand or are they available still through a dealer?  Has anyone broken this arm and tried to reinforce/repair it?



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Hi Rick, Taking it to a welding shop might be the cheapest route. New center stands are available for over $140.
 Side Stand replacement parts for 1998 Triumph TROPHY http://www.2wheelpros.com/oem-parts/1998-triumph-trophy-side-stand-assembly.html 
 
 Side Stand replacement parts for 1998 Triumph TROPHY http://www.2wheelpros.com/oem-parts/1998-triumph-trophy-side-stand-assembly.html Original 1998 Triumph Trophy Parts. Search Side Stand parts using manufacturer microfiche assembly diagrams.
 
 
 
 View on www.2wheelpros.com http://www.2wheelpros.com/oem-parts/1998-triumph-trophy-side-stand-assembly.html 
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 Looks like one is taller than the other. As the rear wheel height is higher off the ground the bike gets harder to lift onto the center stand.
 I have an extra used center stand I'd sell for $50 plus shipping.
 Adjusting the fork tubes in the triple clamps can raise or lower the front end and it will effect the center stand and the side stand. Just don't raise the tubes more than a 1/2inch. I had some high speed stability problems brought on by my raising the tube too high.
 I don't have a welder so I modified my side stand by adding a 3/4 inch of aluminum to the end.
 Greg Andrews
 '96 900 BRG
 Apple Valley, Calif.

 

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Regarding side stand and lean angle: What year is your Trophy?

Don
'97 900

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Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Center stand failure


 I seldom used the side stand because the bike leans so much, it's hard to
use the left saddle bag and I often use the top of the bike to set my
glasses, cell phone, lunch box, mail, etc. after I have dismounted and I am
preparing to go into work or back home.  I have also heard of members
building up the side stand foot so it doesn't lean as drastically.


Rick
NM, USA

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Hi Rick!
  Yeah, I am the one that wrote about the trick of rolling the rear tire up on a 2"X4", to get the bike on the centerstand.  It is a piece of junk. What causes the problem is that the cross-arm brace gets crushed, and bent over time. It is supposed to be straight, but banging against the twin buttresses, in the down position. Greg and I took mine off, and tried to get the little pipe straight again, and then wrap another pipe over the now straightened crossmember, and using "JB Weld" to hold it where that piece hits the two buttresses land on that metal. The other problem I added was I went to a 190X55X17 tire on the rear (maybe even a "50"?), and that effectively lowered my bike quite a bit more than I realized. My next rear will be a 180X70X17" maybe? Ultimately we got the bent old stand near straight, and "I caved" I didn’t have the tools to finish the repair that we began, and Greg is building a 1200, FROM SCRATCH!!!  I gave my still crooked piece to him, and being the "Wizard" his 1200 now rests quite nicely on my old stand. I just bought a new one, and Greg wrapped mine like he did his. It is still sitting on the floor next to my poor unused Trophy. First I had a bad asthma attack, that was now called COPD, and as if that wasn’t enough, I broke my little toe so bad, that I haven’t been able to put on a pair of shoes or boots for three months. I was able to slip on a boot yesterday!!! Now I need one of those "Oxygen Concentrators" ($3K-4K), so I can ride and breathe at the same time. The new stand cost me $134 I think? It is worth calling around, as prices varied by like $50! If I can find the recipe, I’ll send the details. I’m 5’10" and 220 also. It’s a big shock, when you can’t lift that damn thing anymore! No worries, don’t start the steroids yet, you still have what it takes, to get that Beast up!!
  Kindest regards,
  Poppa Jack



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> Well, I was all proud last week.  Took a picture of my odometer with 68,888 miles and was going to post up a picture at my next opportunity.  I haven't got around to it but I have an issue.
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> I vaguely remember Papa Jack or one of the regular's posting that they put their back tire on a board prior to putting the bike on the center stand.  I have always just muscled it up with no assistance but wondered how some of the older or slighter members do this.  I am 220# and 5' 10", but was often wondering how long I would be able to manhandle this bike onto the center stand.
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> Last night on my way home I discovered another reason to not manhandle this bike onto the center stand.  I got off the bike and placed my foot on the foot pedal of the center stand and braced for the hoist.  The tubular arm (foot pedal) peeled back (sheared about 75% of the weld) like a banana and I almost lost the bike to the right hand side.  I was able to keep her upright but just barely.  I was surprised to see that this arm is nothing more that 1/32 tubular steal.  I am surprised it lasted 20 years.
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> Anyone have a spare center stand or are they available still through a dealer?  Has anyone broken this arm and tried to reinforce/repair it?  I seldom used the side stand because the bike leans so much, it's hard to use the left saddle bag and I often use the top of the bike to set my glasses, cell phone, lunch box, mail, etc. after I have dismounted and I am preparing to go into work or back home.  I have also heard of members building up the side stand foot so it doesn't lean as drastically.
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> Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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> Rick
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> NM, USA
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Hi Rick, Jack mentioned my 1200 build job. This 1200 I'm building is very easy to get up on the center stand. While it is on the center stand the rear wheel is just barely off the floor. The engine is in neutral and the rear wheel brushes the floor as it turns.  I've got a '96 Trophy and a '98 Sprint. So when this 1200 Trophy became available I wanted to build something different than what I've already got. So my goal is a naked 1200. It is all together except for the headlight and instrument cluster wiring.
 I said the height can be adjusted by moving the fork tubes. I failed to write that the rear eccentric on the rear axle can also can the ride height some. I don't mean the method of turning the eccentric 180 degrees. That mod brings on other necessary tweaks I'm not experienced in doing that mod. But moving the eccentric will also effect the needed chain length, maybe shorter, maybe longer.
 Tires will also make a difference. So do you research when selecting tires, knowing the circumference will help.
 I've reconsidered my price on the used center stand. $40 plus shipping is okay.
 Greg
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Pappa Jack,
   Sorry to hear about the health issues.  Good luck finding that oxygen concentrator and finding a place to mount it on your unused Trophy. I just love all the history and experience this group has on a fine piece of machinery.
 

 Rick
 1996 Trophy 900
 69,000 (s)miles

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Thanks Greg,  I'll take it.  Please send me your email to [hidden email] and I will send moneys and addresses... Rick
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I have broken of my original stand in the same manner.  I bought a
replacement from Ebay and after welding bracing along its length, I found it
was about an inch shorter, so I have to put a board beneath it to get the
rear tire off the ground.

It still works but when working on the rear, tightening chain etc it has to
be on a board to free wheel.

KDix



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Hi Rick, Your email address didn't get posted. Yahoo deleted it.
 Here is mine. gandrews2   then the at symbol, then verizon.net
 Of course no spaces between all of this.
 I'll send some pictures before money is sent.
 Greg Andrews
 '96 900 BRG
 '98 Sprint Sport
 '96 1200 Frankenstein (built from dead parts)
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Hi Rick,
I have found the my foot pressure on the center-stand is far more important than my pulling on the lift handle or on the handlebar.  I can lower the centerstand with my foot and stand on the foot lever while lifting slightly and rocking the bike backwards, and it rotates up. I'm about your height, but a fair bit lighter.
Things to check:
- Is your bike riding low?  That rear shock might have sagged.  I needed to replace mine.  If you're not on the seat, the bike should be at the top of its suspension travel.  The eccentric adjusters are sometimes rotated (intentionally) to lower the bike by 1.5".  I find that if my bike rides with the rear suspension low (or even the rear tire below 41psi), it feels a bit truckish, and the forces needed to put it on the centerstand are much higher.- How much is in your panniers?  I keep mine pretty full and my bike is much easier to put on the centerstand than with the panniers empty or off.- Is there anything wrong with the centerstand?  Lubricate the hinge points and check for rust.  Some owners (I've been guilty as charged) have sat on the bike while on the centerstand and rocked the bike forward to come down on the tires.  Some of the experts on this list strongly recommend against doing that.
- Dave
 
      From: "[hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
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 Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Center stand failure
   
    Well, I was all proud last week.  Took a picture of my odometer with 68,888 miles and was going to post up a picture at my next opportunity.  I haven't got around to it but I have an issue.
I vaguely remember Papa Jack or one of the regular's posting that they put their back tire on a board prior to putting the bike on the center stand.  I have always just muscled it up with no assistance but wondered how some of the older or slighter members do this.  I am 220# and 5' 10", but was often wondering how long I would be able to manhandle this bike onto the center stand.
Last night on my way home I discovered another reason to not manhandle this bike onto the center stand.  I got off the bike and placed my foot on the foot pedal of the center stand and braced for the hoist.  The tubular arm (foot pedal) peeled back (sheared about 75% of the weld) like a banana and I almost lost the bike to the right hand side.  I was able to keep her upright but just barely.  I was surprised to see that this arm is nothing more that 1/32 tubular steal.  I am surprised it lasted 20 years.
Anyone have a spare center stand or are they available still through a dealer?  Has anyone broken this arm and tried to reinforce/repair it?  I seldom used the side stand because the bike leans so much, it's hard to use the left saddle bag and I often use the top of the bike to set my glasses, cell phone, lunch box, mail, etc. after I have dismounted and I am preparing to go into work or back home.  I have also heard of members building up the side stand foot so it doesn't lean as drastically.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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