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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Glenn, Do any of your manuals give the service limit measurement for the clutch springs? See my previous message below with the measurements   of mine. 
Did some checking on u-tube about slipping clutches ... looked at my plates and they do appear to have some glazing. Found this link on a fix  Fix a slipping motorcycle clutch on a low budget
 
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Any thoughts?  I don't have much to lose.  

   Jason

   From: "Jason Hart [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
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 Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues
 
    Hi,I checked out where the shifter would go when shifting into first ... mmm I can see marks on the heat shield of the exhaust.  Maybe the linkage moved after I replaced the chain the last time?
Put back the shifter adjusted to not touch the heat shield to test out transmission with clutch plates removed as well as drive sprocket. Turning the inner basket anti-clockwise turns the drive sprocket in the opposite direction (anti-clockwise from that side to drive chain). I put it through all the gears up and down while hanging on to the drive spindle and turning the basket . Some clunking sounds as some gears are selected but all engaged.
One thing I noticed is that there is significant play before engagement when rotating the inner drum (can turn back and forth a fair amount without turning anything). Has anyone noticed this? 
Also measured all clutch plates and checked for warping of the plates as per the Triumph manual - all seems to be in spec.
I also measured the length of the clutch springs ... I can't find anything in the manual on the correct specs. Does anyone know what they should be ? I have 3 @ 42.81 mm and 1 @ 42.95 mm and the other one is 43.08 mm. Not sure this is significant and how accurate I can measure as it is hard to not put some pressure on the spring to take the measurement. Maybe mine are getting weak and could be cause for the slippage issue (Not the grinding in first gear - maybe because I was not fulling engaging?)      
As for the endoscope .. it is fussy on what devise it is connected to ... a neighbour has a samsung phone that was compatible with the free software mscope (this app gives the clearest pictures). A tablet would not work. His phone ran out of juice so only got a few pics from inside the tranny. He is coming back this weekend to help me take more. I will share my results.

My conclusion so far is I think I have 2 isolated issues ... one is clutch related and the other engagement of first gear. All help is appreciated.
Jason      From: "[hidden email] [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:33 AM
 Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues
 
    I'm no expert but here are a few thoughts. Maybe you have thought of them already.

- What is the condition of the oil? Are metal particles evident? A grinding metal sound will be making particles somewhere. Hopefully not in the transmission.

- Might sound silly but, Is the shift linkage set properly? Is the toe shifter hitting something going down to first gear? Happened to me before.

- Bent or binding push rod or slave cylinder piston.

- Rotate the transmission by hand through neutral first and second gear with the clutch plates removed and resistance on the rear wheel, such as your hand. Go one step further and remove the drive sprocket isolating the rear wheel just keep the resistance on the transmission output shaft.  

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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Jason, Interesting video on youtube. That would be a good thing to try. I hadn't thought that the shifting problem could be the shift lever was getting blocked by the exhaust pipe and thereby complete engagement wasn't happening in first gear. I think you are on to a good idea. One of your posts mentioned the amount of slack in the transmission. With the bike in first gear and the engine off, all of my bikes will move some back and forth. More movement when in a higher gear. Time to take the glaze off the clutch plates and get the shift lever in a good spot. I think you've got the problem solved.
 Greg
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Thanks Greg,Your input is reassuring about the movement in the transmission. Still wondering if I should look at getting new clutch springs as well?
Jason 

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    Hi Jason, Interesting video on youtube. That would be a good thing to try. I hadn't thought that the shifting problem could be the shift lever was getting blocked by the exhaust pipe and thereby complete engagement wasn't happening in first gear. I think you are on to a good idea. One of your posts mentioned the amount of slack in the transmission. With the bike in first gear and the engine off, all of my bikes will move some back and forth. More movement when in a higher gear.Time to take the glaze off the clutch plates and get the shift lever in a good spot. 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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Jason,

 I only have the 2 manuals - factory and Haynes - and neither one mentions a service limit for the clutch springs. That seems like a bit of an oversight on Triumph's part unless they KNOW there is so little loss of length that it is insignificant. Loss of tension from metal fatigue, who knows? In your case there is only 0.3mm difference so I wouldn't worry about that part of it. I suppose if you could find some very thin washers - maybe 0.25-0.5mm - with the correct OD, they could be drilled out to the correct ID and put under the springs to shim them for a bit of additional length. Or get the correct ID and grind down the OD to the correct size. I don't think that would cause any spring coil binding since you already have a 0.3mm difference in length anyway. OR, new springs are available at Bike Bandit (who in turn gets their parts from Triumph) for $3.39 USD each.
 

 Any slippage may well be down to glazing. That is a good video. Definitely do that.
 

 I agree with Greg. Any slippage could be down to glazing. Interference at the shift lever could well be preventing full engagement of 1st gear.
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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Use the springs you have. The length difference is very small. Now after you get it together and give it a test ride and it still doesn't feel right then consider a new set of springs. Greg
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I'm going to put in new springs .. as well as do the clutch plate reconditioning as per the video. I will call my triumph dealer and order them while everything is opened up. Not sure about shimming springs .. think that will only preload the spring but not change the working tension. If fatigue has set in only new ones will correct the issue.
Thanks again to all of you that helped me through this ... Jason 

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    Hi Jason,
I only have the 2 manuals - factory and Haynes - and neither one mentions a service limit for the clutch springs. That seems like a bit of an oversight on Triumph's part unless they KNOW there is so little loss of length that it is insignificant. Loss of tension from metal fatigue, who knows? In your case there is only 0.3mm difference so I wouldn't worry about that part of it. I suppose if you could find some very thin washers - maybe 0.25-0.5mm - with the correct OD, they could be drilled out to the correct ID and put under the springs to shim them for a bit of additional length. Or get the correct ID and grind down the OD to the correct size. I don't think that would cause any spring coil binding since you already have a 0.3mm difference in length anyway. OR, new springs are available at Bike Bandit (who in turn gets their parts from Triumph) for $3.39 USD each.
Any slippage may well be down to glazing. That is a good video. Definitely do that.
I agree with Greg. Any slippage could be down to glazing. Interference at the shift lever could well be preventing full engagement of 1st gear.
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Hi,
I've ordered original triumph clutch springs witch cost me $20 CDN for 5. I've reconditioned the plates and ant-judder plate as per video. You can really feel the difference with 220 sand paper. Now will need to wait for the springs to arrive - about 10 days.
I've taken pics inside the transmission with the scope .. see attached. Note :The green is the synthetic oil .. it looks that colour when light (LED) shines on it. Not coolant as mine is pink. There is a mirror that screws onto the end of the lens - but as soon as oil drops on it the picture is blurred ... so hard to film all parts inside clearly.
Cant see anything to really identify anything broken. I'm betting on the linkage being my issue.  In case I've missed something have a look.
Cheers 
Jason    

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    I'm going to put in new springs .. as well as do the clutch plate reconditioning as per the video. I will call my triumph dealer and order them while everything is opened up. Not sure about shimming springs .. think that will only preload the spring but not change the working tension. If fatigue has set in only new ones will correct the issue.
Thanks again to all of you that helped me through this ... Jason 

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    Hi Jason,
I only have the 2 manuals - factory and Haynes - and neither one mentions a service limit for the clutch springs. That seems like a bit of an oversight on Triumph's part unless they KNOW there is so little loss of length that it is insignificant. Loss of tension from metal fatigue, who knows? In your case there is only 0.3mm difference so I wouldn't worry about that part of it. I suppose if you could find some very thin washers - maybe 0.25-0.5mm - with the correct OD, they could be drilled out to the correct ID and put under the springs to shim them for a bit of additional length. Or get the correct ID and grind down the OD to the correct size. I don't think that would cause any spring coil binding since you already have a 0.3mm difference in length anyway. OR, new springs are available at Bike Bandit (who in turn gets their parts from Triumph) for $3.39 USD each.
Any slippage may well be down to glazing. That is a good video. Definitely do that.
I agree with Greg. Any slippage could be down to glazing. Interference at the shift lever could well be preventing full engagement of 1st gear.
Cheers,Glenn  

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Hi Jason,

 I can't see anything wrong in the pictures. At $20 CAD the springs are cheaper than Bike Bandit. Be crazy not to replace them. Hopefully, with the work you've done on the basket plus new springs and adjusted link, it will work like new again!
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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Hi GlennThanks for looking over the pictures. I'm hoping you are right. Will let you know.Jason

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    Hi Jason,
I can't see anything wrong in the pictures. At $20 CAD the springs are cheaper than Bike Bandit. Be crazy not to replace them. Hopefully, with the work you've done on the basket plus new springs and adjusted link, it will work like new again!
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hello all, Bad news ... everything put back together very carefully including new springs ... same issue. Worst as the bike gets hot.  So I guess its the transmission.Jason 

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    Hi Jason,
I can't see anything wrong in the pictures. At $20 CAD the springs are cheaper than Bike Bandit. Be crazy not to replace them. Hopefully, with the work you've done on the basket plus new springs and adjusted link, it will work like new again!
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Jason,  

 Man, that just sucks! You know, it doesn't make sense that it was fine before you took the clutch out and now it is this way. I can't believe rotating the engine/transmission backwards just a bit by hand could cause this. I keep coming back to your uncertainty about the re-assembly of the clutch steels, fibres & anti-judder plate. I wonder if a member here has clutch assembly that is known to be good, assembled correctly (with the sequence of the components) that you could try.
 

 Glenn
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It did slip before I took it all apart ... so that part developed last year before the tear down. Difficulty getting into 1st gear (but no grinding noise - which is now new and getting worst) has been happening over the last few years... maybe shaking everything up severely when the balancer came loose aggravated a developing situation ?  Does anyone know more about transmissions?Jason 

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    Hi Jason, 
Man, that just sucks! You know, it doesn't make sense that it was fine before you took the clutch out and now it is this way. I can't believe rotating the engine/transmission backwards just a bit by hand could cause this. I keep coming back to your uncertainty about the re-assembly of the clutch steels, fibres & anti-judder plate. I wonder if a member here has clutch assembly that is known to be good, assembled correctly (with the sequence of the components) that you could try.
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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I'm sorry Jason. My memory ain't what it used to be. The usual cause of difficulty engaging gear or grinding when engaging is a slave cylinder that is not fully disengaging the clutch. Have you done anything with the slave cylinder that might have coincided with the start of the trouble? Changed the fluid maybe? If so, they can be quite stubborn to bleed and cause this. Or could it be leaking internally and bypassing pressure and not allowing the clutch to fully disengage? I just don't see how you could have catastrophic damage.

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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Glenn,
Yes , I changed all the hydraulic fluids including the clutch before all this started to happened. I do this regularly when I see it start to get dark. I believe I did this the last time in the Fall of 2015. However it ran fine last summer until my fall ride. Although I did not ride much last year .. it was way too hot for most of the summer. Opposite to this year where we are just getting rain.
I checked and did re-bleed the clutch using the clamp method you sent me this year .. no air bubbles . When the clutch side case was off I did try the clutch to make sure the plates were operating properly. Of course the motor is cold and not running. 
The grinding noise when shifting into first gets worst when hot and continues in first gear even with the bike being propelled until I shift to second or put back into neutral. The sporadic hesitation (split second) and rapid engagement does not seem to be related to the gear noise and can happen upon acceleration.
Although I wish it was clutch related and SOME symptoms point to this .... seems I've come to the end of what I can fix???  I'm thinking I need to take a break from this for a while ...
Jason  



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    I'm sorry Jason. My memory ain't what it used to be. The usual cause of difficulty engaging gear or grinding when engaging is a slave cylinder that is not fully disengaging the clutch. Have you done anything with the slave cylinder that might have coincided with the start of the trouble? Changed the fluid maybe? If so, they can be quite stubborn to bleed and cause this. Or could it be leaking internally and bypassing pressure and not allowing the clutch to fully disengage? I just don't see how you could have catastrophic damage.
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Jason,

 This is REALLY disappointing. I guess it's time to drain the oil through a coffee filter. There's probably some particles in there from the recent gear grinding - just curious about bigger pieces.
 

 Yes, also time for a break (mental health break at this point).
 

 Good luck,
 Glenn
 

---In [hidden email], <biker_jas@...> wrote :

 Hi Glenn,
 

 Yes , I changed all the hydraulic fluids including the clutch before all this started to happened. I do this regularly when I see it start to get dark. I believe I did this the last time in the Fall of 2015. However it ran fine last summer until my fall ride. Although I did not ride much last year .. it was way too hot for most of the summer. Opposite to this year where we are just getting rain.
 

 I checked and did re-bleed the clutch using the clamp method you sent me this year .. no air bubbles . When the clutch side case was off I did try the clutch to make sure the plates were operating properly. Of course the motor is cold and not running.
 

 The grinding noise when shifting into first gets worst when hot and continues in first gear even with the bike being propelled until I shift to second or put back into neutral. The sporadic hesitation (split second) and rapid engagement does not seem to be related to the gear noise and can happen upon acceleration.
 

 Although I wish it was clutch related and SOME symptoms point to this .... seems I've come to the end of what I can fix???  I'm thinking I need to take a break from this for a while ...
 

 Jason  
 

 

 


 From: "slovcan@... [TriumphTrophy]" <[hidden email]>
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 Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues
 
 
   I'm sorry Jason. My memory ain't what it used to be. The usual cause of difficulty engaging gear or grinding when engaging is a slave cylinder that is not fully disengaging the clutch. Have you done anything with the slave cylinder that might have coincided with the start of the trouble? Changed the fluid maybe? If so, they can be quite stubborn to bleed and cause this. Or could it be leaking internally and bypassing pressure and not allowing the clutch to fully disengage? I just don't see how you could have catastrophic damage.
 

 Glenn

 


 











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