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Hello , I'm the guy that had that strange sound coming from the engine last Fall. OK seems to have solved that one with the extra help form Greg.  It ended up being the balancer coming lose from an incorrectly installed locking plate that finally slipped down releasing the balancer to float from side to side. Issue resolved.
 

 However a new one or maybe just a condition getting worst and/or my assembly of the clutch basket not good ? I removed it to check the sprag clutch etc.
 

 The issue now is properly engaging first gear mostly .. grinding noises. When engaged sometimes seems to be only partly engaged in that power suddenly pulses to the rear wheel long after clutch is released.
 

 When hot the engine also makes a lot more mechanical noises from  clutch / transmission area than before when at idle.
 

 The engine itself is strong .. new plugs and everything responding very well .. lots of power right up to the red line. Valve clearance are all within spec .. so noise not from the top end. Just not consistently connecting properly to the rear wheel?
 

 126,700 Km with the engine good ... am I wasting my time?  Transmission parts could get expensive .
 

 Suggestion - ideas?
 

 Jason
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Hi Jason,

 I think it is too early to throw it under a bus. The two things that come to mind immediately are clutch slave cylinder bleeding and clutch discs/plates/basket assembly.
 

 Clutch slave cylinders are notoriously hard to bleed. A couple of things that help are unbolting the slave cylinder and clamping the piston in with a C-clamp while bleeding and bleeding at the top banjo fitting.
 

 When rebuilding the clutch assembly - especially on a relatively high mileage bike - watch for dents on the sides of the basket "fingers" that can cause the friction disc tabs to hang up a bit when engaging that can prevent a smooth engagement. Another thing is to make sure the discs are all stacked the same way around - the tabs will have a sharper edge on one side.
 

 BTW, we are on the east coast now :-) .
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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Hi Glenn,
Good to hear from you. If anything brings you to Toronto - let me know. I did take the basket apart so plates may not have been put back as you say. Which side should the sharper edge face?
If I do find dents on the basket - should I file them smooth?
As to the bleeding .. I did not drain the line .  When I do a flush I push out the old fluid with new by replenishing the reservoir until the colour looks clean, this seems to avoid the air bubble issue. Have not done it for some time so will look at that too.
RegardsJason    

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    Hi Jason,
I think it is too early to throw it under a bus. The two things that come to mind immediately are clutch slave cylinder bleeding and clutch discs/plates/basket assembly.
Clutch slave cylinders are notoriously hard to bleed. A couple of things that help are unbolting the slave cylinder and clamping the piston in with a C-clamp while bleeding and bleeding at the top banjo fitting.
When rebuilding the clutch assembly - especially on a relatively high mileage bike - watch for dents on the sides of the basket "fingers" that can cause the friction disc tabs to hang up a bit when engaging that can prevent a smooth engagement. Another thing is to make sure the discs are all stacked the same way around - the tabs will have a sharper edge on one side.
BTW, we are on the east coast now :-) .
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Hi Jason,

 I will certainly let you know if we make it up your way.
 

 Here is a video of what I meant about the grooves in the basket and how to file them. I'm not sure if what they show for the correct angle on the fingers is correct for our clutches - even or odd number of fingers/tabs can change that. Just check the existing angles on yours by putting the file across the same side and opposing sides of the fingers and keep that angle.
 

 The rounded edges on the tabs should face the engine.
 

 Maybe try this first. If you get a crunch on engaging 1st afterwards bleed the master & slave cylinders. It sounds like you might be OK with that, though.
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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Hi Glenn,I thought it through and it makes sense to have rounded edge facing the engine ... easier to fully engage as pressure plate is allowed to do its thing. I cant see the video link you mention? One other question .. the Anti Judder Plate ... the clutch plates and friction plates are an uneven number .. seems the plate is to be in the middle ? Closer or farther from the engine?  Maybe this is part of the issue of the extra noise from the engine at idle? Have to admit I may have put all these in a different order than taken out... mmm Jason

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    Hi Jason,
I will certainly let you know if we make it up your way.
Here is a video of what I meant about the grooves in the basket and how to file them. I'm not sure if what they show for the correct angle on the fingers is correct for our clutches - even or odd number of fingers/tabs can change that. Just check the existing angles on yours by putting the file across the same side and opposing sides of the fingers and keep that angle.
The rounded edges on the tabs should face the engine.
Maybe try this first. If you get a crunch on engaging 1st afterwards bleed the master & slave cylinders. It sounds like you might be OK with that, though.
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The anti-judder goes in the middle according to my manual. It is #8 in my manual's diagram. I attached the page in 2 pics.

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 Glenn
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Middle is an uneven number ... the more I look at the video you sent and some more on that subject is leading me to believe that is at least one of my issues. Thanks  

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    [Attachment(s) from [hidden email] [TriumphTrophy] included below] The anti-judder goes in the middle according to my manual. It is #8 in my manual's diagram. I attached the page in 2 pics.
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues [4 Attachments]

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Hi Glenn,OK I think we are getting somewhere now.  See pics attached. I can tell by the warn marks that the original set-up was 4 clutch and friction plates , then the anti -judder plate followed by the balance of 5 sets of plates (Working away from the engine ).
I can also see that the clutch plates are rounded on one side and sharp edge on the other .. I'm thinking I messed up when putting these back.
The friction plates don't seem to be different on either side except for that dimple on one side of some of the friction plate tabs. I really cant tell which side goes in first ; (sadly) I did not notice when taking it apart the first time. Do you know if it matters? I've measured the thickness and they are the same spec as new according to the manual.
As you can see the clutch basket is going to need some very careful filing to get smooth again. I'm thinking I will also smooth out the clutch plates on the rough side as per one of the videos on U-tube
Please have a look and let me know what you think.
Much appreciated
Jason    

     

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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Glenn,
 OK I think we are getting somewhere now.  See pics attached. I can tell by the warn marks that the original set-up was 4 clutch and friction plates , then the anti -judder plate followed by the balance of 5 sets of plates (Working away from the engine ).
 

 I can also see that the clutch plates are rounded on one side and sharp edge on the other .. I'm thinking I messed up when putting these back.
 

 The friction plates don't seem to be different on either side except for that dimple on one side of some of the friction plate tabs. I really cant tell which side goes in first ; (sadly) I did not notice when taking it apart the first time. Do you know if it matters? I've measured the thickness and they are the same spec as new according to the manual.
 

 As you can see the clutch basket is going to need some very careful filing to get smooth again. I'm thinking I will also smooth out the clutch plates on the rough side as per one of the videos on U-tube
 

 Please have a look and let me know what you think.
 

 Much appreciated
 

 Jason    
 Hi Jason,
 

 By my reckoning that puts the Anti-Judder plate in the middle, so that's right. I'd put the round edges of everything towards the engine. I wouldn't think the sharper edges need filing, but I don't think it'll hurt. I don't know what those dimples are for on the frictions. Is there something like a bolt or rivet end anywhere that could cause interference if they're not in the right way?
 

 I figure with the round edges all toward the engine, the edges of the friction disc tabs checked for smoothness and the basket fingers filed you will be good to go. Those basket fingers are pretty bad. Hopefully smoothing them out doesn't make the gap between them and the friction disc tabs too big. I guess the worst case is a low mileage used basket (or new, but I think low mile used would be OK).
 

 You seem to have figured everything out with it all laid out there - good use of logic.
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Glenn,I think what I did is put the stack of plates in reverse. I must have laid them out and flipped them when putting back in. Maybe the dimples are just used during manufacture ? 
I am also concerned about the gap. From what I've seen I need to make sure all filing I do is equal so if the gap is same and a little big the contact surface meets up the same for all plate tabs. Not sure what happens if too loose? Maybe I should look for a new basket if I see the gap is getting too big mmm 
Jason 

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    Hi Glenn,OK I think we are getting somewhere now.  See pics attached. I can tell by the warn marks that the original set-up was 4 clutch and friction plates , then the anti -judder plate followed by the balance of 5 sets of plates (Working away from the engine ).
I can also see that the clutch plates are rounded on one side and sharp edge on the other .. I'm thinking I messed up when putting these back.
The friction plates don't seem to be different on either side except for that dimple on one side of some of the friction plate tabs. I really cant tell which side goes in first ; (sadly) I did not notice when taking it apart the first time. Do you know if it matters? I've measured the thickness and they are the same spec as new according to the manual.
As you can see the clutch basket is going to need some very careful filing to get smooth again. I'm thinking I will also smooth out the clutch plates on the rough side as per one of the videos on U-tube
Please have a look and let me know what you think.
Much appreciated
Jason    Hi Jason,
By my reckoning that puts the Anti-Judder plate in the middle, so that's right. I'd put the round edges of everything towards the engine. I wouldn't think the sharper edges need filing, but I don't think it'll hurt. I don't know what those dimples are for on the frictions. Is there something like a bolt or rivet end anywhere that could cause interference if they're not in the right way?
I figure with the round edges all toward the engine, the edges of the friction disc tabs checked for smoothness and the basket fingers filed you will be good to go. Those basket fingers are pretty bad. Hopefully smoothing them out doesn't make the gap between them and the friction disc tabs too big. I guess the worst case is a low mileage used basket (or new, but I think low mile used would be OK).
You seem to have figured everything out with it all laid out there - good use of logic.
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Glenn,
 I think what I did is put the stack of plates in reverse. I must have laid them out and flipped them when putting back in. Maybe the dimples are just used during manufacture ?
 

 I am also concerned about the gap. From what I've seen I need to make sure all filing I do is equal so if the gap is same and a little big the contact surface meets up the same for all plate tabs. Not sure what happens if too loose? Maybe I should look for a new basket if I see the gap is getting too big mmm
 

 Jason
 

 Hi Jason,
 

 I can't see any obvious reason for the dimples if you don't see any clearance requirements.
 

 I mentioned a lower mile basket because of the thought of a larger gap, BUT I would still file yours smooth and of equal gap and try it. I can't imagine any real downsides to a bigger gap other than a possible clunk - more likely a click - when engaging. Maybe not even enough to hear. Maybe this could lead to accelerated wear of the basket leading to a change a little later on. By then, with your newfound experience, a basket replacement ought to be a piece of cake!
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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Thanks Glenn .. I think that is the route I will take. Nothing to lose LOL. I also found that two different basket assemblies were used on these engines. Mine is the early version with 105 Teeth. It no longer seems to be available unless I get it off a salvage bike... Greg may have what I need but have to verify version of spare that he has if I can't get mine to work...
Jason

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    Hi Glenn,I think what I did is put the stack of plates in reverse. I must have laid them out and flipped them when putting back in. Maybe the dimples are just used during manufacture ? 
I am also concerned about the gap. From what I've seen I need to make sure all filing I do is equal so if the gap is same and a little big the contact surface meets up the same for all plate tabs. Not sure what happens if too loose? Maybe I should look for a new basket if I see the gap is getting too big mmm 
Jason 
Hi Jason,
I can't see any obvious reason for the dimples if you don't see any clearance requirements.
I mentioned a lower mile basket because of the thought of a larger gap, BUT I would still file yours smooth and of equal gap and try it. I can't imagine any real downsides to a bigger gap other than a possible clunk - more likely a click - when engaging. Maybe not even enough to hear. Maybe this could lead to accelerated wear of the basket leading to a change a little later on. By then, with your newfound experience, a basket replacement ought to be a piece of cake!
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi GlennCarefully did everything you suggested and reassembled in the correct order as per the manual and my previous e-mail.  
Just back from test ride ... unfortunately not fixed. Clutch is smoother and engine runs great ... engagement is fine but sometimes in first gear a grinding chain slipping sound from drive side of bike when under load - acceleration. Only goes away when shifting to second gear ... also once got that rear wheel chirp when accelerating hard .. not sure what gear but it was not first. 
If there was a primary chain drive like the old BSA 650 .. I would be suspecting that ... but there is none ... so a little puzzling. I'm now going to take a look at the drive gear to the rear wheel to see if I can see an issue with that ... but this is only a long shot.  Hopefully not the transmission. 
Let me know if you have other ideas ... 
Jason
     
 
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Jason,

 Shit. Tabernac! I was SURE that would take care of it. The other stuff is not as easy except for one thing and that is a long shot. What shape is your plastic chain slider in on the swingarm? Could your chain be metal-to-metal on the swingarm? Failing that, I suppose it is possible that the output shaft bearing could be worn. But, I think you've had your bike long enough to not be constantly running it with the chain too tight.
 

 Didn't this just start happening after you put the clutch back together? If so, it would be a stretch to think it would not be clutch related. If it is the slider or bearing that would be a hell of a coincidence. Rear wheel hub or rubbers? Sound travels, but are you sure it's from the left side?
 

 Glenn
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Hi Glenn,Absolutely sure its from the left side.  The plastic chain slider could be worn ... however not sure how this would affect the uneven power delivery  
A mild version of this issue happened once before I removed the clutch .. but the balancer issue was my focus as this caused the most noise .  
As for my chain .. I'm usually on the slack side but could have made the last adjustment just before this issue closer to the tighter tolerance  ... mmmm Why the issue just under load and mostly in first gear? I will check this too , but if off I've most likely caused damage.
I will start digging into it deeper tomorrow.
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    Hi Jason,
Shit. Tabernac! I was SURE that would take care of it. The other stuff is not as easy except for one thing and that is a long shot. What shape is your plastic chain slider in on the swingarm? Could your chain be metal-to-metal on the swingarm? Failing that, I suppose it is possible that the output shaft bearing could be worn. But, I think you've had your bike long enough to not be constantly running it with the chain too tight.
Didn't this just start happening after you put the clutch back together? If so, it would be a stretch to think it would not be clutch related. If it is the slider or bearing that would be a hell of a coincidence. Rear wheel hub or rubbers? Sound travels, but are you sure it's from the left side?
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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"Hi Glenn,
 Absolutely sure its from the left side.  The plastic chain slider could be worn ... however not sure how this would affect the uneven power delivery  
 
A mild version of this issue happened once before I removed the clutch .. but the balancer issue was my focus as this caused the most noise .  
 

 As for my chain .. I'm usually on the slack side but could have made the last adjustment just before this issue closer to the tighter tolerance  ... mmmm Why the issue just under load and mostly in first gear? I will check this too , but if off I've most likely caused damage.
 

 I will start digging into it deeper tomorrow.
 

 Jason"
 

 Hi Jason,
 

 No, the slider wouldn't affect the power delivery issue. I had forgotten that symptom. Damn CRS. Nor would the output shaft bearing and, like I said, I doubt that would happen to you since you are dilligent with the detail of your work. Adjusting the chain too tight one time isn't likely to wreck the bearing, maybe more likely to affect the handling and chain life/stretch from binding on suspension compression. So, coincidental mileage related wear items like cush rubbers maybe. Maybe look at the slider as possibly related to the noise more than the driveability problem. Maybe you get more rear suspension compression on 1st gear acceleration allowing chain contact? Grasping at straws now. I still wouldn't eliminate a possible clutch problem even though you hear it more on the left side since sound can travel through metal and be a bit deceptive.
 

 Keep at it. Don't give up.
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
 



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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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For some bizarre reason, as I was reading this the thought came into my head "Is everything ok with the back wheel? Alignment, cush drive, bearings...?"
Clearly, first gear puts more torque through the transmission than other gears, maybe it's making something move out of line that isn't happening in the higher gears?
Just a (very strange) thought.
David
 

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     "Hi Glenn,Absolutely sure its from the left side.  The plastic chain slider could be worn ... however not sure how this would affect the uneven power delivery  
A mild version of this issue happened once before I removed the clutch .. but the balancer issue was my focus as this caused the most noise .  
As for my chain .. I'm usually on the slack side but could have made the last adjustment just before this issue closer to the tighter tolerance  ... mmmm Why the issue just under load and mostly in first gear? I will check this too , but if off I've most likely caused damage.
I will start digging into it deeper tomorrow.
Jason" 
Hi Jason,
No, the slider wouldn't affect the power delivery issue. I had forgotten that symptom. Damn CRS. Nor would the output shaft bearing and, like I said, I doubt that would happen to you since you are dilligent with the detail of your work. Adjusting the chain too tight one time isn't likely to wreck the bearing, maybe more likely to affect the handling and chain life/stretch from binding on suspension compression. So, coincidental mileage related wear items like cush rubbers maybe. Maybe look at the slider as possibly related to the noise more than the driveability problem. Maybe you get more rear suspension compression on 1st gear acceleration allowing chain contact? Grasping at straws now. I still wouldn't eliminate a possible clutch problem even though you hear it more on the left side since sound can travel through metal and be a bit deceptive.
Keep at it. Don't give up.
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues [3 Attachments]

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Hi Glenn,I'm not sure any more if it is the clutch; if it is Greg has kindly offered to help me out with spares. 

I've removed everything to expose the drive sprocket. A confession I must make is that the last time I replaced the chain about 11,000 km ago Triumph sent me the wrong sprockets so I returned them and did get replacements ... however I used the old ones and just flipped the drive sprocket over to change the load side since it was taking too long.   
I've got company coming for the next few days so need to pause my work .. here are a few pictures of what I found so far ; all original except that I did bend back the tab on the bolt holding the sprocket. Can't see anything myself to indicate the issue. Maybe you can?
I'm planning to try the new sprockets to see if that fixes it next. Interested in knowing if you have other ideas of what I should also check. 
CheersJason

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    Hi Jason,
Shit. Tabernac! I was SURE that would take care of it. The other stuff is not as easy except for one thing and that is a long shot. What shape is your plastic chain slider in on the swingarm? Could your chain be metal-to-metal on the swingarm? Failing that, I suppose it is possible that the output shaft bearing could be worn. But, I think you've had your bike long enough to not be constantly running it with the chain too tight.
Didn't this just start happening after you put the clutch back together? If so, it would be a stretch to think it would not be clutch related. If it is the slider or bearing that would be a hell of a coincidence. Rear wheel hub or rubbers? Sound travels, but are you sure it's from the left side?
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Re: 1994 Trident - Transmission / Clutch issues

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Hi Glenn,
 I'm not sure any more if it is the clutch; if it is Greg has kindly offered to help me out with spares.

 

 I've removed everything to expose the drive sprocket. A confession I must make is that the last time I replaced the chain about 11,000 km ago Triumph sent me the wrong sprockets so I returned them and did get replacements ... however I used the old ones and just flipped the drive sprocket over to change the load side since it was taking too long.  
 

 I've got company coming for the next few days so need to pause my work .. here are a few pictures of what I found so far ; all original except that I did bend back the tab on the bolt holding the sprocket. Can't see anything myself to indicate the issue. Maybe you can?
 

 I'm planning to try the new sprockets to see if that fixes it next. Interested in knowing if you have other ideas of what I should also check.
 

 Cheers
 Jason
 

 Hi Jason,
 

 I'm glad Greg is watching this, too. I don't think it's the sprockets. My first thought when you mentioned turning them over was the offset, but they've been working fine for 11,000 kms. If there was an offset issue you would at minimum hear a "singing" from the chain right away. Still, since it is apart, you may as well put the new sprockets on now.
 

 I'm still not completely giving up on it being clutch related simply due to the timing of the event (unless my memory has failed me again!). I can't remember, do our bikes have a slipper clutch. My Honda's do/did, but I can't remember about the Trophy. If so, it is easy to assemble the pieces out of sequence. Just a thought.
 

 The other thought is still the cush rubbers or drive hub issue maybe.
 

 Enjoy your time with your visitors!
 

 Cheers,
 Glenn
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